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81
Hi Ralph,

I have a custom made flat centre roof brace. Flat steel welded up and into place. I believe the one from the westy was thrown as the westy has a significantly different roof from factory - factory made (the steel in the van) to take the pop top - so that centre brace wouldn't work. Could be wrong though!

Can have a look at mine / I could send photos if that helps. I do have the westy up stairs fold-out bunk. Could possibly put you in touch with the guy who did the job for me - but I reckon he cut a few corners, literally and figuratively speaking. Also need to dig up Bob Buckley's number (the engineer) for everyone, I reckon he is a real nice guy, if he hasn't retired.

Sam





--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Roden" <rrmoss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I'm hoping to do that conversion when I find an engineer to do the
> certification, as well.
>
> Did you replace your original centre roof brace with the Westfalia flat
> brace to take the Westy upper bed?
>
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> heysamuelarnold
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 9:12 p.m.
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: poptop conversion / engineers
> certificates
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just thought I would add my engineer certificate experiences in case it
> is of help to anyone. So added a Westfalia roof to my ex-telecom in NSW.
> Also rear seatbelts / folding seat / bed. Cost $550 for the engineer's
> certificate from Bob Buckley, real nice guy, not sure if he has retired
> now or not. Apparently new regulations / computer system coming in for
> NSW engineers which he wasn't very happy about.
>
> Due to the insurance issues, I believe any major changes, roof, brakes,
> maybe even suspension with new NSW laws?? engineer's certificate is an
> absolute requirement.
>
> Sam
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=13267315/grpspId=1709926240/
> msgId=6071/stime=1254298330/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
>
82
Les

I think Phill has the highest regard for Trakka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I wanted a 2 Seater bench  in the back (with seat belts) that folded for camping, I couldn't find anyone to do it who didn't then want to continue on and do a full camping conversion. Well I only wanted a seat and to do a simple conversion myself. So got the relevant ADR rules (VSB 5A  ), a welder, and an engineer to approve it, and built it myself. So all legal with compliance plate, no doubt if we got rid of the State Govt's it would be Australia wide. Even though it is built to the relevant Australian Design Rule no doubt another Dept of Transport or RTA  or what ever they call them couldn't quite get their head around Australian !!!!!!


Bruce

PS. In the last VWA mag there fellow down the Gold Coast who has gone to the trouble and considerable expense of testing a Rock and Roll seat that he sells. This is what I found that people had spent ten's of thousands of dollars to have a design tested (to destruction I think ) and they wanted maximum return on each seat. Not just a seat only amount of money from me. 



On 01/10/2009, at 7:48 PM, Les_Harris wrote:

 

That image has been floating in front of me all day!!

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 01 October 2009 06:53
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: poptop conversion / engineers certificates

 

"This roof conversion was done by some mong with a chainsaw at Trakka and complies with ADR 999, Approval number 123456789"




83

Bruce,

 

Our complicated (and very wasteful) system of state governments adds layers to layers.  Fortunately, the ADRs are a federal matter.  However, each state has their own Authorized Signatories, the engineers who inspect work done on a vehicle to ensure that it complies with ADRs.  Once an engineer’s certificate has been issued, it is valid for all states.

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Alison & Bruce Black
Sent: 01 October 2009 21:17
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: poptop conversion / engineers certificates

 

 

Les

 

I think Phill has the highest regard for Trakka!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

 

When I wanted a 2 Seater bench  in the back (with seat belts) that folded for camping, I couldn't find anyone to do it who didn't then want to continue on and do a full camping conversion. Well I only wanted a seat and to do a simple conversion myself. So got the relevant ADR rules (VSB 5A  ), a welder, and an engineer to approve it, and built it myself. So all legal with compliance plate, no doubt if we got rid of the State Govt's it would be Australia wide. Even though it is built to the relevant Australian Design Rule no doubt another Dept of Transport or RTA  or what ever they call them couldn't quite get their head around Australian !!!!!!

 

 

84
Gday Scott and all,
 
You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."
 
I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.
Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.
 
I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?
 
Ken
 
 
 
 

 


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85
Yes, Westies have a completely different body from the factory.



> heysamuelarnold <me@samarnold.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> I have a custom made flat centre roof brace. Flat steel welded up and
> into place. I believe the one from the westy was thrown as the westy
> has a significantly different roof from factory - factory made (the
> steel in the van) to take the pop top - so that centre brace wouldn't
> work. Could be wrong though!
>
> Can have a look at mine / I could send photos if that helps. I do have
> the westy up stairs fold-out bunk. Could possibly put you in touch with
> the guy who did the job for me - but I reckon he cut a few corners,
> literally and figuratively speaking. Also need to dig up Bob Buckley's
> number (the engineer) for everyone, I reckon he is a real nice guy, if
> he hasn't retired.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Roden" <rrmoss@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> > I'm hoping to do that conversion when I find an engineer to do the
> > certification, as well.
> >
> > Did you replace your original centre roof brace with the Westfalia
> flat
> > brace to take the Westy upper bed?
> >
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > heysamuelarnold
> > Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 9:12 p.m.
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: poptop conversion / engineers
> > certificates
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just thought I would add my engineer certificate experiences in case
> it
> > is of help to anyone. So added a Westfalia roof to my ex-telecom in
> NSW.
> > Also rear seatbelts / folding seat / bed. Cost $550 for the engineer's
> > certificate from Bob Buckley, real nice guy, not sure if he has
> retired
> > now or not. Apparently new regulations / computer system coming in for
> > NSW engineers which he wasn't very happy about.
> >
> > Due to the insurance issues, I believe any major changes, roof,
> brakes,
> > maybe even suspension with new NSW laws?? engineer's certificate is an
> > absolute requirement.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=13267315/grpspId=1709926240/
> > msgId=6071/stime=1254298330/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>
> >
86
Remember the ADR's from the mid '70s?

Different engines for NSW than the other states. I think it may have been ADR27a.



> Les_Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> Our complicated (and very wasteful) system of state governments adds
> layers
> to layers. Fortunately, the ADRs are a federal matter. However, each
> state
> has their own Authorized Signatories, the engineers who inspect work
> done on
> a vehicle to ensure that it complies with ADRs. Once an engineer's
> certificate has been issued, it is valid for all states.
>
>
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alison & Bruce
> Black
> Sent: 01 October 2009 21:17
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: poptop conversion / engineers
> certificates
>
>
>
>
>
> Les
>
>
>
> I think Phill has the highest regard for Trakka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> When I wanted a 2 Seater bench in the back (with seat belts) that
> folded
> for camping, I couldn't find anyone to do it who didn't then want to
> continue on and do a full camping conversion. Well I only wanted a seat
> and
> to do a simple conversion myself. So got the relevant ADR rules (VSB 5A
> ),
> a welder, and an engineer to approve it, and built it myself. So all
> legal
> with compliance plate, no doubt if we got rid of the State Govt's it
> would
> be Australia wide. Even though it is built to the relevant Australian
> Design
> Rule no doubt another Dept of Transport or RTA or what ever they call
> them
> couldn't quite get their head around Australian !!!!!!
>
>
>
>
87
Ken,
 
That "steel reinforcement" tale was told to me by a guy that previously worked for Trakka doing these conversions.
 
Seems like he was full of it!
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

Gday Scott and all,
 
You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."
 
I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.
Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.
 
I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?
 
Ken
 
 
 
 

 


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Thanks Les, that's good to know.

 
On 01/10/2009, at 10:24 PM, Les_Harris wrote:

 

Bruce,

 

Our complicated (and very wasteful) system of state governments adds layers to layers.  Fortunately, the ADRs are a federal matter.  However, each state has their own Authorized Signatories, the engineers who inspect work done on a vehicle to ensure that it complies with ADRs.  Once an engineer’s certificate has been issued, it is valid for all states.

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Alison & Bruce Black
Sent: 01 October 2009 21:17
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: poptop conversion / engineers certificates

 

 

Les

 

I think Phill has the highest regard for Trakka!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

 

When I wanted a 2 Seater bench  in the back (with seat belts) that folded for camping, I couldn't find anyone to do it who didn't then want to continue on and do a full camping conversion. Well I only wanted a seat and to do a simple conversion myself. So got the relevant ADR rules (VSB 5A  ), a welder, and an engineer to approve it, and built it myself. So all legal with compliance plate, no doubt if we got rid of the State Govt's it would be Australia wide. Even though it is built to the relevant Australian Design Rule no doubt another Dept of Transport or RTA  or what ever they call them couldn't quite get their head around Australian !!!!!!

 

 



89

Hi Ken

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: breed@bigpond.net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Hi Guys.
Long time no write, from me that is. Seeing that you are talking about conversions, do any of you well informed and knowledgeable syncro technophiles have, or believe that a LPG gas tank could fit under a 3/4 size Trakka fitted seat/bed. I know a few of you have converted to LPG so presumable you know the dimensions of a tank, but would it fit under a bed. Or can any of you see a solution to fitting an LPG tank into a  full Trakka conversion of a 1991 T3 syncro.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
To: Syncro Oz Forum <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 11:32:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: breed@bigpond. net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Gday Michael,

Given the already small footprint of our Trakka campervans, it's always intrigued me what would have to be tossed out (sacrificed/given up) inside the Trakka to make way for the LPG bottle. Too hard I reckon, there is just no way I'm prepared to pull a trailer as a consequence.
 
I believe Rudi (Bribie Island) has his installed under the bed-sitter but given he built the bed-sitter/fit-out of his camper, he made it all higher so I suspect that is why the LPG bottle fitted ok. Whether a suitable size LPG bottle will fit under the standard height Trakka bed, I can't say, someone else may know that, but the available height may be problematic. Given the camper battery, car tools, pump etc etc are usually stored there anyway, well the mind boggles what to do.
 
I believe Rick (Sydney) had LPG installed, possibly in his Trakka syncro. He may know something if you can get him.
 
I take it the space under the floor on the sliding door side is not an option for you.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: mrayner51@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:01:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 
Hi Guys.
Long time no write, from me that is. Seeing that you are talking about conversions, do any of you well informed and knowledgeable syncro technophiles have, or believe that a LPG gas tank could fit under a 3/4 size Trakka fitted seat/bed. I know a few of you have converted to LPG so presumable you know the dimensions of a tank, but would it fit under a bed. Or can any of you see a solution to fitting an LPG tank into a  full Trakka conversion of a 1991 T3 syncro.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com>
To: Syncro Oz Forum <syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 11:32:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: breed@bigpond. net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 

 

 

 


 

 

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Here's an article i found on different shaped lpg tanks that may help


I seem to remember reading about someone who used one of the doughnut shaped ones in a T3 on the Samba but i can't find it.

Gary


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On 06/10/2009, at 7:56 PM, Ken Garratt wrote:

Gday Michael,

Given the already small footprint of our Trakka campervans, it's always intrigued me what would have to be tossed out (sacrificed/ given up) inside the Trakka to make way for the LPG bottle. Too hard I reckon, there is just no way I'm prepared to pull a trailer as a consequence.
 
I believe Rudi (Bribie Island) has his installed under the bed-sitter but given he built the bed-sitter/fit- out of his camper, he made it all higher so I suspect that is why the LPG bottle fitted ok. Whether a suitable size LPG bottle will fit under the standard height Trakka bed, I can't say, someone else may know that, but the available height may be problematic. Given the camper battery, car tools, pump etc etc are usually stored there anyway, well the mind boggles what to do.
 
I believe Rick (Sydney) had LPG installed, possibly in his Trakka syncro. He may know something if you can get him.
 
I take it the space under the floor on the sliding door side is not an option for you.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: mrayner51@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:01:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

  
Hi Guys.
Long time no write, from me that is. Seeing that you are talking about conversions, do any of you well informed and knowledgeable syncro technophiles have, or believe that a LPG gas tank could fit under a 3/4 size Trakka fitted seat/bed. I know a few of you have converted to LPG so presumable you know the dimensions of a tank, but would it fit under a bed. Or can any of you see a solution to fitting an LPG tank into a  full Trakka conversion of a 1991 T3 syncro.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com>
To: Syncro Oz Forum <syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 11:32:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: breed@bigpond. net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken 

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 
 
 
 


 

 

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Thanks Gary and Ken for your response. Food for thought. I have sent an email off to Rick in Sydney who I believe has a Trakka on LPG so I'll wait and see what eventuates. I must say I'm not to hopeful and maybe I'll just have to suck it and see when the inevitable rise in fuel prices occurs.
 High fuel consumption together with rising fuel prices has always been my major bugbear with the syncro. It's why I sold my old girl when fuel reached $1.90 about 2 years ago. But I have to confess I really miss that unique car. At present running a Peugeot 405 SRDT wagon, very thrifty and great for the 530k drive to Melb on the highway. But I can't get the syncro out of my head, and I know the syncro would handle the rough roads out here in East Gippsland, which I'm to afraid to take the Pug on, the fine dust  gets into everything and the corrugations shudder the car something terrible.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyone.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 6 October, 2009 9:27:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

Here's an article i found on different shaped lpg tanks that may help



I seem to remember reading about someone who used one of the doughnut shaped ones in a T3 on the Samba but i can't find it.

Gary


[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 06/10/2009, at 7:56 PM, Ken Garratt wrote:

Gday Michael,

Given the already small footprint of our Trakka campervans, it's always intrigued me what would have to be tossed out (sacrificed/ given up) inside the Trakka to make way for the LPG bottle. Too hard I reckon, there is just no way I'm prepared to pull a trailer as a consequence.
 
I believe Rudi (Bribie Island) has his installed under the bed-sitter but given he built the bed-sitter/fit- out of his camper, he made it all higher so I suspect that is why the LPG bottle fitted ok. Whether a suitable size LPG bottle will fit under the standard height Trakka bed, I can't say, someone else may know that, but the available height may be problematic. Given the camper battery, car tools, pump etc etc are usually stored there anyway, well the mind boggles what to do.
 
I believe Rick (Sydney) had LPG installed, possibly in his Trakka syncro. He may know something if you can get him.
 
I take it the space under the floor on the sliding door side is not an option for you.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: mrayner51@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:01:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

  
Hi Guys.
Long time no write, from me that is. Seeing that you are talking about conversions, do any of you well informed and knowledgeable syncro technophiles have, or believe that a LPG gas tank could fit under a 3/4 size Trakka fitted seat/bed. I know a few of you have converted to LPG so presumable you know the dimensions of a tank, but would it fit under a bed. Or can any of you see a solution to fitting an LPG tank into a  full Trakka conversion of a 1991 T3 syncro.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com>
To: Syncro Oz Forum <syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 11:32:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: breed@bigpond. net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken 

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 
 
 
 


 

 

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Michael,
I believe Rick tends to be pretty busy 24/7 so a reply may take a while ok.
Cheers.
Ken
 
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From: mrayner51@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:02:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 
Thanks Gary and Ken for your response. Food for thought. I have sent an email off to Rick in Sydney who I believe has a Trakka on LPG so I'll wait and see what eventuates. I must say I'm not to hopeful and maybe I'll just have to suck it and see when the inevitable rise in fuel prices occurs.
 High fuel consumption together with rising fuel prices has always been my major bugbear with the syncro. It's why I sold my old girl when fuel reached $1.90 about 2 years ago. But I have to confess I really miss that unique car. At present running a Peugeot 405 SRDT wagon, very thrifty and great for the 530k drive to Melb on the highway. But I can't get the syncro out of my head, and I know the syncro would handle the rough roads out here in East Gippsland, which I'm to afraid to take the Pug on, the fine dust  gets into everything and the corrugations shudder the car something terrible.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyon e.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 6 October, 2009 9:27:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Here's an article i found on different shaped lpg tanks that may help



I seem to remember reading about someone who used one of the doughnut shaped ones in a T3 on the Samba but i can't find it.

Gary


[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 06/10/2009, at 7:56 PM, Ken Garratt wrote:

Gday Michael,

Given the already small footprint of our Trakka campervans, it's always intrigued me what would have to be tossed out (sacrificed/ given up) inside the Trakka to make way for the LPG bottle. Too hard I reckon, there is just no way I'm prepared to pull a trailer as a consequence.
 
I believe Rudi (Bribie Island) has his installed under the bed-sitter but given he built the bed-sitter/fit- out of his camper, he made it all higher so I suspect that is why the LPG bottle fitted ok. Whether a suitable size LPG bottle will fit under the standard height Trakka bed, I can't say, someone else may know that, but the available height may be problematic. Given the camper battery, car tools, pump etc etc are usually stored there anyway, well the mind boggles what to do.
 
I believe Rick (Sydney) had LPG installed, possibly in his Trakka syncro. He may know something if you can get him.
 
I take it the space under the floor on the sliding door side is not an option for you.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 



To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: mrayner51@yahoo. com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:01:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

  
Hi Guys.
Long time no write, from me that is. Seeing that you are talking about conversions, do any of you well informed and knowledgeable syncro technophiles have, or believe that a LPG gas tank could fit under a 3/4 size Trakka fitted seat/bed. I know a few of you have converted to LPG so presumable you know the dimensions of a tank, but would it fit under a bed. Or can any of you see a solution to fitting an LPG tank into a  full Trakka conversion of a 1991 T3 syncro.
 
Regards

Michael


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com>
To: Syncro Oz Forum <syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 11:32:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
Gday Brian,
 
I suppose I could say then .... good luck, touch wood. But not in your case it seems eh.
 
Put it all down to R&D during the intervening 20 years .... maybe Trakka has learnt something.
 
A previous owner of my syncro installed an overhead 2 drawer unit above the bed. It rests on some packing blocks which fit on the ledge where the upper sleeping quarters base used to be. I see he tried to get solid perimeter fixing for the drawer unit using 4 screws through the fibreglass sides .... I imagine at the time it was a case of suck it and see. No wood or steel it seems to me.
 
Tell Hartmut he needs to sharpen those cheap taiwanese steel drilling bits ok ... haha
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: breed@bigpond. net.au
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:22:30 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 

Hi Ken 

 

Today doesn’t necessarily correlate with the past, but I tried to install a couple of screws (to mount a shelf) in the side of my T5 pop-top opening. My 1/8 drill went through the fibreglass easily (of course) and hit some metal behind. This metal chewed up several bits before I gave up, so I reckon it is high tensile as well.

 

Brian (from Old Bar)

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2009 11:52 PM
To: Syncro Oz Forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Camper Conversions

 
 

Gday Scott and all,

 

You said: "By the way - I agree that Trakka roofs are very strong - apparently they are full of steel reinforcing which is why they weigh so much apparently - yet I agree the original structure is better."

 

I have my doubts Trakka used steel reinforcement in either the poptop or the roof perimeter after the lateral ribs were removed.

Usually fibreglass module construction is just that .... fibreglass and probably timber of some sort. I agree it is heavy.

 

I had occasion to open up the perimeter ceiling lining (of the side part of the roof) to get at the bottom bolt of the poptop strut. What I found there reinforcing the roof due to the removed lateral ribs was reinforcing gussets made of timber plywood. Probably explains why in certain offroad stress and strain conditions, the Trakka modded frame can make creaking and cracking sounds. Trakka Engineer still practicing?

 

Ken

 
 
 
 


 

 

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My cousin, Stephen Begg, in Brisbane has installed an LPG tank under his Trakka syncro bed. He made a brief appearance on this list so may reply, but, if not, I could try and get more details from him. We've been thinking of the LPG conversion too (and are still interested) but, like others, are weighing up the sacrifice of valuable interior storage space versus fuel economy/range. For the moment, petrol has been a minor cost compared to the cost of repairs so it has slipped down the agenda, but that will likely change as petrol prices inevitably climb.

Francesca.
97
Hey,....Perhaps?????? you could instal a spare wheel shaped tank in the front spare carrier then fit the spare to the back? Regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@...> wrote:
>
> My cousin, Stephen Begg, in Brisbane has installed an LPG tank under his
> Trakka syncro bed. He made a brief appearance on this list so may reply,
> but, if not, I could try and get more details from him. We've been thinking
> of the LPG conversion too (and are still interested) but, like others, are
> weighing up the sacrifice of valuable interior storage space versus fuel
> economy/range. For the moment, petrol has been a minor cost compared to the
> cost of repairs so it has slipped down the agenda, but that will likely
> change as petrol prices inevitably climb.
> Francesca.
>
98
Thanks for that Francesca. I'd be most interested to hear what he has to say maybe even see some photo's of his installation. I've been divided in my thinking between a T4 TDI syncro Trakka which I'm attracted to solely for it's economy, and the T3 syncro Trakka for it being a true VW (rear engine, rear wheel, flat four dub dub dub) and it's better 4WD performance and uniqueness. Once the world economy gets it's act back we'll see petrol easily soar above $2.50 litres. Some commentators expect petrol to be about $5 a litre with 5 years time.. 
 
Regards

Michael


From: Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 October, 2009 9:09:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 


My cousin, Stephen Begg, in Brisbane has installed an LPG tank under his Trakka syncro bed. He made a brief appearance on this list so may reply, but, if not, I could try and get more details from him. We've been thinking of the LPG conversion too (and are still interested) but, like others, are weighing up the sacrifice of valuable interior storage space versus fuel economy/range. For the moment, petrol has been a minor cost compared to the cost of repairs so it has slipped down the agenda, but that will likely change as petrol prices inevitably climb.


Francesca.

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Francesca,

 

The name rings a bell and he would be one of about 50% who did not respond to the renewal request.  If he is interested in remaining a member, he can be restored.  His LPG knowledge could be a benefit to other members.

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 07 October 2009 09:10
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions

 

 


My cousin, Stephen Begg, in Brisbane has installed an LPG tank under his Trakka syncro bed. He made a brief appearance on this list so may reply, but, if not, I could try and get more details from him. We've been thinking of the LPG conversion too (and are still interested) but, like others, are weighing up the sacrifice of valuable interior storage space versus fuel economy/range. For the moment, petrol has been a minor cost compared to the cost of repairs so it has slipped down the agenda, but that will likely change as petrol prices inevitably climb.

 

Francesca.

100
Thanks, Les. I know he's extremely busy so may not have time to participate. We'll see if there's anything I can pass on. Incidentally he recently went on an outback trip with his own syncro and his Dad's T4. The T4 had to limp back to civilization after holing the sump - just a little reminder (in case we needed one) that the off-road credentials of T4s are of the same calibre as our T3 Wunderwagens.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Les_Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Francesca,

The name rings a bell and he would be one of about 50% who did not respond to the renewal request. If he is interested in remaining a member, he can be restored. His LPG knowledge could be a benefit to other members.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 07 October 2009 09:10


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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Camper Conversions


My cousin, Stephen Begg, in Brisbane has installed an LPG tank under his Trakka syncro bed. He made a brief appearance on this list so may reply, but, if not, I could try and get more details from him. We've been thinking of the LPG conversion too (and are still interested) but, like others, are weighing up the sacrifice of valuable interior storage space versus fuel economy/range. For the moment, petrol has been a minor cost compared to the cost of repairs so it has slipped down the agenda, but that will likely change as petrol prices inevitably climb.

Francesca.