Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

21
Roger,
It's specified 18.5mm ID. Actually both ends it has to fit on are different IDs, go figure. I guess 18.5mm is the happy medium.
So far, I've not found online anything local & equivalent or as economical. Prove me wrong!
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:57:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Looks like it would do the job, Ken, although it should be possible to find something closer to home.

  I haven't measured it lately - is 19mm the size we need?

  I do remember having to dip the end of the new hose in the coffee-mug before it softened up enough to slip on.

                                                                                     Cheers, Roger.

 


22
The 2wd 4wd and Golf are all the same seal 020 141 733D.

I think that it may be the aftermarket ones are different.

Phill



> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>

> More likely they are the same as the 2WD seal that has been
> [confusingly]
> sold under the same part number since the 4WD seal became unavailable.
>
> I haven't seen the Golf seal or eyeballed the part number. Does
> anybody
> out there know?
>
>
> Roger [Beetle].
23
The genuine seal has been unavailable for so long that even VW has been flogging the 2WD seal to replace it. It fits, but won't keep the river out of the gearbox.

  It would be interesting to get hold of the 1989 version of ETKA to see if it is listed separately there.

  Maybe VW never stocked the right seal in the first place, as I understand the manufacture of the transmission was outsourced to Steyr Puch.

  After building the Haflinger, Pinzgauer and a whole range of tractors, Steyr would have known a thing or two about keeping the elements out of the innards of off-road machinery.

  By all means use the 2WD oil seal, if you intend to use your syncro like a 2WD. But stay away from mud, slush, sand, bulldust, beaches, snow and water.

  I wonder how many transmission failures can be attributed to the use of the inferior oil seal?

  A costly lesson for the lack of a $13 component.

  Wasn't it the failure of an "O" ring that brought down the space shuttle?

                                                                                                             Cheers, Roger.

 

24
Hi Rodger,
Please order a seal for me
Regards
Philippe


On 26 April 2012 16:58, Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com> wrote:

I haven't looked at mine as they are covered in mud.

But I should probably get some too.

Please put me on the list Roger.

Thanks,

Skot



On 26/04/2012 5:09 PM, Jon Elliott wrote:
Hullo Roger
Can you order a couple of selector shaft seals for me.
Regards
JonE

From: "Gullyraker@aol.com" <Gullyraker@aol.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

Thanks for the heads-up Ken,

I never knew that the breather tower had a diaphragm inside it that could fail. Will have to have a look at the spare one in the shed.

I guess while the engine is idling sweetly, all is well.

I replaced the breather hose a few years ago because mine looked pretty sad. I remember looking around the shed for something suitable, couldn't find anything, so I think I bought one from Muller and Muller.

When it arrived it looked like it had been cut off a roll of bulk hose, just like the ones from VanCafe.

Pirtek might be able to supply something similar.

I have added your name to the list for a selector-shaft oil seal. No-one appears to be in a hurry so I might wait a couple of weeks before ordering, and have a browse through the wish-list in the meantime.

Cheers, Roger.









--
Philippe Tyack
Mobile:+61450059162
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Roger,
Would a pic of both seals together sufficiently demonstrate their different physical attributes? Might settle the debate.
Maybe Van Cafe could do that for us pretty easily, given they state they are willing to help us customers down under.
Cheers.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:40:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
The genuine seal has been unavailable for so long that even VW has been flogging the 2WD seal to replace it. It fits, but won't keep the river out of the gearbox.

  It would be interesting to get hold of the 1989 version of ETKA to see if it is listed separately there.

  Maybe VW never stocked the right seal in the first place, as I understand the manufacture of the transmission was outsourced to Steyr Puch.

  After building the Haflinger, Pinzgauer and a whole range of tractors, Steyr would have known a thing or two about keeping the elements out of the innards of off-road machinery.

  By all means use the 2WD oil seal, if you intend to use your syncro like a 2WD. But stay away from mud, slush, sand, bulldust, beaches, snow and water.

  I wonder how many transmission failures can be attributed to the use of the inferior oil seal?

  A costly lesson for the lack of a $13 component.

  Wasn't it the failure of an "O" ring that brought down the space shuttle?

                                                                                                             Cheers, Roger.

 


26
No worries Phillipe.

27
What is the part number of the 2wd seal then?

My ETKA shows 020 141 733D for 2wd and 4wd.

Phill



> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>
> The genuine seal has been unavailable for so long that even VW has been
> flogging the 2WD seal to replace it. It fits, but won't keep the river
> out of
> the gearbox.
>
> It would be interesting to get hold of the 1989 version of ETKA to see
> if
> it is listed separately there.
>
> Maybe VW never stocked the right seal in the first place, as I
> understand
> the manufacture of the transmission was outsourced to Steyr Puch.
>
> After building the Haflinger, Pinzgauer and a whole range of tractors,
>
> Steyr would have known a thing or two about keeping the elements out of
> the
> innards of off-road machinery.
>
> By all means use the 2WD oil seal, if you intend to use your syncro
> like
> a 2WD. But stay away from mud, slush, sand, bulldust, beaches, snow and
> water.
>
> I wonder how many transmission failures can be attributed to the use
> of
> the inferior oil seal?
>
> A costly lesson for the lack of a $13 component.
>
> Wasn't it the failure of an "O" ring that brought down the space
> shuttle?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Roger.
>
>
28
Is this it?

http://en.serial-kombi.com/volkswagen-transporter-1980-1991-gearbox-lever-shaft-selectore-seal-8-1985-1991-N39957.html



> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>
> The genuine seal has been unavailable for so long that even VW has been
> flogging the 2WD seal to replace it. It fits, but won't keep the river
> out of
> the gearbox.
>
> It would be interesting to get hold of the 1989 version of ETKA to see
> if
> it is listed separately there.
>
> Maybe VW never stocked the right seal in the first place, as I
> understand
> the manufacture of the transmission was outsourced to Steyr Puch.
>
> After building the Haflinger, Pinzgauer and a whole range of tractors,
>
> Steyr would have known a thing or two about keeping the elements out of
> the
> innards of off-road machinery.
>
> By all means use the 2WD oil seal, if you intend to use your syncro
> like
> a 2WD. But stay away from mud, slush, sand, bulldust, beaches, snow and
> water.
>
> I wonder how many transmission failures can be attributed to the use
> of
> the inferior oil seal?
>
> A costly lesson for the lack of a $13 component.
>
> Wasn't it the failure of an "O" ring that brought down the space
> shuttle?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Roger.
>
>
29

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port

30
Peter,
 
Thanks
 
Leighton

31
I thought as much,thanks Phill.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> The 2wd 4wd and Golf are all the same seal 020 141 733D.
>
> I think that it may be the aftermarket ones are different.
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> > Gullyraker@... wrote:
> >
>
> > More likely they are the same as the 2WD seal that has been
> > [confusingly]
> > sold under the same part number since the 4WD seal became unavailable.
> >
> > I haven't seen the Golf seal or eyeballed the part number. Does
> > anybody
> > out there know?
> >
> >
> > Roger [Beetle].
>
32
I concur. There are differences and hence implications between original and aftermarket swivels.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:48:43 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port


33
Ken,
 
Could you please help with some more information if you have any? Does any one have a spare original they would like to sell?
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:17:23 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
I concur. There are differences and hence implications between original and aftermarket swivels.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:48:43 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port



34
  Thats what I said.

   Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.

   Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.

                                                                                     Weird.

 

 

 

35
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.

36
Leighton,
I can't be specific ... be handy having two vans side by side with original and aftermarket swivels to study.
This from VERY uncertain memory .... don't rely on it ... I may easily be wrong.
Original has its swivel offset on its base, aftermarket swivel is central.
Original may allow less access to underneath space.
One may be higher than the other, hence one may permit a taller battery underneath.
Original may be more robust build.

Buy one of each, you'll soon find out. HA!
Ken

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: smith_leighton@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:20:29 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Ken,
 
Could you please help with some more information if you have any? Does any one have a spare original they would like to sell?
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:17:23 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
I concur. There are differences and hence implications between original and aftermarket swivels.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:48:43 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port




37
Roger,
I sense a field day in the making .... an all in mass fitting of tranny seals. Bring tools, tucker and willing to learn!
Someone bring a seal extractor!
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.


38
Roger,
Gets murkier though.
On the SK webpage, the brief description for that part says ...
Gearbox lever shaft selectore seal 8/1985-1991


So they're saying in essence, this seal is common to 2WD also.

The conundrum goes on.
Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.


39

Roger,

Many lives ago, when I used to run BMW motorcycles, I had the experience of getting a set of head race cups and new balls from the distributor. Took them home, removed the front forks, removed the cups, installed the new ones, inserted the new balls – oops – the last ball would not go in! Got out the micrometer, measured the old and the new – about 1 ½ thou difference!! Consulted an Imperial/Metric table – I had been given an Imperial size! Micrometer in hand, I took them back – consternation – about half the loose balls in stock were Imperial! It was eventually established that the buying had been done by a person of no technical knowledge; he had been offered a ‘better deal’ on the Imperial size and confidently told us that they were within “manufacturing tolerance” of the metric size that they should have been.

Relevance? I believe that we are increasingly seeing non-OEM parts being bought by non-technical people. If it looks the same or similar, it’s close enough and it goes into store under the original part number.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gullyraker@aol.com
Sent: 27 April 2012 17:29
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 

That’s what I said.

   Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.

   Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.

                                                                                     Weird.

 

 

 

40
Roger,
Or 8/1985 is the start of T3 WBX 1.9 engine and gearbox model OR perhaps start of T3 syncro manufacture for European market?
Guessing.
Ken

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:12:00 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 

Roger,
Gets murkier though.
On the SK webpage, the brief description for that part says ...
Gearbox lever shaft selectore seal 8/1985-1991


So they're saying in essence, this seal is common to 2WD also.

The conundrum goes on.
Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.