Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

41
Roger,
Bingo!
Here's the 2WD version, same part number, much cheaper, magnify the images, compare with SK website pic ... totally different ....
Cheers.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.


42
Hi Ken,
It really looks like a double lipped seal to me
It says Vergleichsnumber xxxxxxxxxx meaning it is equal to no xxxxxxso it's not an original
Really not much cheaper as they give you inland postage. Ha.
Sent from my iPad

On 27/04/2012, at 9:27 PM, "Ken Garratt" <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Roger,
Bingo!
Here's the 2WD version, same part number, much cheaper, magnify the images, compare with SK website pic ... totally different ....
Cheers.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.


43
Flick between both part pics. They are totally different ...
Similar price??????



Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:39:37 +1200
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 

Hi Ken,
It really looks like a double lipped seal to me
It says Vergleichsnumber xxxxxxxxxx meaning it is equal to no xxxxxxso it's not an original
Really not much cheaper as they give you inland postage. Ha.
Sent from my iPad

On 27/04/2012, at 9:27 PM, "Ken Garratt" <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Roger,
Bingo!
Here's the 2WD version, same part number, much cheaper, magnify the images, compare with SK website pic ... totally different ....
Cheers.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Well done!

  That's it. If you look at the bottom photo you can see the outer sealing lip and radial spring that is missing from a conventional oil seal.

  They are a lot more expensive than the VanCafe ones, though.

                                                                                                 Roger.




44
Yep. All we need is a track with a nice erosion gully running down the middle - about six feet deep would be perfect.

  All the syncros parked in a row.

  Call it a bush production line for tranny seal replacements.

  And a barbecue near the river. [Stocked with rainbow trout of course].

  Which reminds me - I'm off to the Wee Jasper Valley on Sunday.

  For anyone who doesn't know it, one of the finest camping and fishing spots in southern NSW.

   I can smell the campfire already ....

45
  I've got a theory - try this and see if it works.

  At the bottom of the "Serial Kombi" web-page it describes the seal as  "NOS VW."

  This indicates that the seal is common to all variants plus the Golf.

  The seal has probably been out of production for some time.

  When stocks ran out they were replaced with an ubiquitous seal that did the job, but only half as well.

  Which is why I could not find a genuine seal at any of the usual vendors on the east coast of Australia.

  And why the VW workshops that I spoke to were unfamiliar with it.

  Some NOS seals still survive in dwindling numbers in some parts of the world, such as at "Serial Kombi".

  Now the need has been recognised, and met, by "VW Classic Parts" in a special production run.

  Which leaves us with the choice of buying old stock from England, [which may or may not have deteriorated depending how well it was stored], or fresh stock from VW Classic Parts.

  This might be the only chance we will have to buy these seals fresh off the production line. Who knows if they will ever make any more?

  From what I have read on other sites, VW Classic Parts has largely ignored the small Syncro market in the past.

  But if we order a heap of them, it might encourage them to make even more, thus ensuring the survival of the species for another 20 years.

  Wishful thinking?

Thanks Phill for helping to solve the mystery, and introducing me to a fascinating new website.

                                                                              
                                                                                                                                           Cheers, Roger.


46
Nail on the head, Les.

  In fairness, if the original seal was no longer available then someone had to go out and find the next-best alternative.

  Maybe that is what has happened here, and they sold them under the same part number to minimise confusion.

  Except among syncro-obsessives like us.

                                                                   Cheers, Roger.

47
Probably right on the money, Ken. I once had a 1985 1.9 litre T3 Caravelle - fastest kombi I ever owned.

  The 5 spd gearbox was similar, perhaps even identical, to the later model 2WD's, so the same seal was probably used.

  By the way, I have heard of MV engines being 'hotted up' by the addition of a 1.9 throttle body.

  I haven't checked it out yet, but knowing how that thing used to fly, they must have  a larger diameter throttle body.

  Sounds like a simple upgrade. Does anybody know if it is a 'plug and play' proposition?

                                           Roger the dreamer.

48
  Thats the same as the one that VanCafe first sent me, resulting in a string of emails until they sourced the real McCoy.

  It is a solid seal made of what appeared [to my untrained eye] to be silicone. There is no internal lip, and no radial tension spring.

  [The genuine seal has two lips and springs facing in opposite directions, to keep the oil in and the water out].

  It looked like a pretty poor alternative, probably not even as good as the conventional single-sided oil seal that is available from most vendors.

  [I might be wrong - maybe it is a quantum leap ahead of the old technology - but someone will tell me if this is so].

  I fitted it to my vehicle just to get back on the road, but unless I find out in the meantime that they are the duck's guts, I'll replace it first chance I get.

  Thanks another website to add to my list.


  I think that there is a lesson here for us all:

  When ordering this seal, ask the vendor if it comes in a package with a VW logo.

  If not, avoid it.

                               Roger.

49
Roger,
NOS .... some light bedtime reading. Thanks for raising it ...

Wee Jasper looks nice lazy syncrofest country ... I feel a tagalong in my water!
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:16:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
  I've got a theory - try this and see if it works.

  At the bottom of the "Serial Kombi" web-page it describes the seal as  "NOS VW."

  This indicates that the seal is common to all variants plus the Golf.

  The seal has probably been out of production for some time.

  When stocks ran out they were replaced with an ubiquitous seal that did the job, but only half as well.

  Which is why I could not find a genuine seal at any of the usual vendors on the east coast of Australia.

  And why the VW workshops that I spoke to were unfamiliar with it.

  Some NOS seals still survive in dwindling numbers in some parts of the world, such as at "Serial Kombi".

  Now the need has been recognised, and met, by "VW Classic Parts" in a special production run.

  Which leaves us with the choice of buying old stock from England, [which may or may not have deteriorated depending how well it was stored], or fresh stock from VW Classic Parts.

  This might be the only chance we will have to buy these seals fresh off the production line. Who knows if they will ever make any more?

  From what I have read on other sites, VW Classic Parts has largely ignored the small Syncro market in the past.

  But if we order a heap of them, it might encourage them to make even more, thus ensuring the survival of the species for another 20 years.

  Wishful thinking?

Thanks Phill for helping to solve the mystery, and introducing me to a fascinating new website.

                                                                              
                                                                                                                                           Cheers, Roger.



50
Trout, miles of idyllic river and creek ampsites, four-wheel driving, canoeing, gold-fossicking, caving, Hume and Hovell walking track, bushranger yarns, one of the best fossil sites, not far from Burrinjuck and the Brindabellas. Magic spot.

  So good that the world's most powerful man has a hideaway down there, and is gradually buying up the valley. Rumour has it that he likes it because there's no mobile phone coverage ...

51
Where are you ordering one in Australia from?



> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>
> Thats what I said.
>
> Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.
>
> Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.
>
>
>
> Weird.
>
>
>
>
>
>
52

Roger,

Put me down for a seal please. 

I had a gearbox rebuilt a couple of years ago and I dread to think about that seal!  I will eventually have a look.

This doesn’t really get into the obsessive class.  Collectively, we have discovered that an inferior substitution has been made and I wonder if any of the other Syncro groups around the world know about it.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gullyraker@aol.com
Sent: 27 April 2012 22:21
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 

Nail on the head, Les.
In fairness, if the original seal was no longer available then someone had to go out and find the next-best alternative.
Maybe that is what has happened here, and they sold them under the same part number to minimise confusion.
Except among Syncro-obsessives like us.

                                                                   Cheers, Roger.

53
Just to let everyone know who has ordered an oil seal, I will be away in the never-never for a week and won't be able to access email.

  Will make enquiries on return and work out costing.

  May be possible to deliver the seals by hand to those that are attending the VW Nationals, to save on post and packaging.

  See you in a week, Roger [Beetle].


54
Order from where in Australia?

I think that this thread is just causing confusion. I don't think that there is a 2wd version.

Phill



> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>
Thats what I said.

Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.

Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.


Weird.
55
Cheaper than van cafe'.

From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 
Order from where in Australia?

I think that this thread is just causing confusion. I don't think that there is a 2wd version.

Phill

> Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
>
Thats what I said.

Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.

Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.

Weird.


56
Ken,
 
Thanks and it would be nice to have the two different swivel seats side by side. May be a the VW Nationals? I would love to buy an original one? and some captain chairs.
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:46:20 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
Leighton,
I can't be specific ... be handy having two vans side by side with original and aftermarket swivels to study.
This from VERY uncertain memory .... don't rely on it ... I may easily be wrong.
Original has its swivel offset on its base, aftermarket swivel is central.
Original may allow less access to underneath space.
One may be higher than the other, hence one may permit a taller battery underneath.
Original may be more robust build.

Buy one of each, you'll soon find out. HA!
Ken

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: smith_leighton@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:20:29 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Ken,
 
Could you please help with some more information if you have any? Does any one have a spare original they would like to sell?
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:17:23 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
I concur. There are differences and hence implications between original and aftermarket swivels.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:48:43 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port





57
Les

This is exactly what they did with my Suby 2.7 donk distributor optical sensor which the original read both the 360 degree holes and the 6 cylinder firing order holes yet the new one only reads the firing order so the computer doesn't accept it and the vehicle wont run with the "updated" sensor. They have superseded it 3 times since it was first made and hence it bears the same part number but is a completely different inferior product and just doesn't work!

Its a pain in the ass!

Cheers,

Skot

On 28/04/2012 12:57 PM, Les Harris wrote:
 

Roger,

Put me down for a seal please. 

I had a gearbox rebuilt a couple of years ago and I dread to think about that seal!  I will eventually have a look.

This doesn’t really get into the obsessive class.  Collectively, we have discovered that an inferior substitution has been made and I wonder if any of the other Syncro groups around the world know about it.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gullyraker@aol.com
Sent: 27 April 2012 22:21
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...

 

Nail on the head, Les.
In fairness, if the original seal was no longer available then someone had to go out and find the next-best alternative.
Maybe that is what has happened here, and they sold them under the same part number to minimise confusion.
Except among Syncro-obsessives like us.

                                                                   Cheers, Roger.


58
Leighton,
Yeah well you just may get lucky at The Nationals, who knows.
The time flies on Show Day ... it's all over before you know it.
I remember on my first Show Day with my newly acquired syncro, I had a list of q's as long as your arm, didn't have time to get answers to most of them!!!
Just persist.
Cheers.
Ken

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: smith_leighton@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:46:20 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Ken,
 
Thanks and it would be nice to have the two different swivel seats side by side. May be a the VW Nationals? I would love to buy an original one? and some captain chairs.
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:46:20 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
Leighton,
I can't be specific ... be handy having two vans side by side with original and aftermarket swivels to study.
This from VERY uncertain memory .... don't rely on it ... I may easily be wrong.
Original has its swivel offset on its base, aftermarket swivel is central.
Original may allow less access to underneath space.
One may be higher than the other, hence one may permit a taller battery underneath.
Original may be more robust build.

Buy one of each, you'll soon find out. HA!
Ken

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: smith_leighton@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:20:29 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Ken,
 
Could you please help with some more information if you have any? Does any one have a spare original they would like to sell?
 
Leighton
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:17:23 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 
I concur. There are differences and hence implications between original and aftermarket swivels.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:48:43 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Swivel seats

 

Leighton. I installed the JK seat on the passenger side but also installed a house battery behind the seat so had to make a few adjustments that you wont face if you are just putting in a seat. Skot is right about the cover. The seat ends up being a bit higher which is no drama. In my case I cannot move it all the way back because of the height of the battery. Otherwise it is not a bad product but not as robust as the original VW version.

Peter from Port






59
If this was a syncro only seal the part number would be something like 094 141 733.

Has anyone tried buying from a VW dealer?



> greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Cheaper than van cafe'.
> http://www.vw-t3-bus-shop.de/eng/gearbox-parts/gearbox/seals-gasket/index
> .html
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro
> transmission selector shaft o...
>
>
>
> ����
>
> Order from where in Australia?
>
> I think that this thread is just causing confusion. I don't think that
> there is a 2wd version.
>
> Phill
>
> > Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
> >
> Thats what I said.
>
> Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.
>
> Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.
>
> Weird.
>
>
60
Phill,

Been through this approach here before ad nauseum. It's more often than not the last port of call for a desperado.

SCENARIO
Given the uncertainties already established with this particular part would require desperate affirmative action ...
Ring the dealer, ask for VW parts section, the pretty young thing says its his rostered day off or he's on holidays, can I help?
In your heart, you know where this will lead, but heh, you think might I get lucky this time??? You know you won't!!!
You start to state your case, from  the answers coming down the line, you know her eyes are glazing over.
You ask when will he be back at work? She's not sure, maybe tomorrow or next week. You say ok then, I better come in another day.
When you finally find the time, a return trip to town to the dealer. Couple of hours, its raining cats and dogs, stop for fuel as well, its low.
Front up to the spare parts counter and there's the parts staffer younger than our vans.
Start stating your case/difference between either part profile discussed here/enquire as to stock on hand to view ...
He says he has no idea what you're talking about.
He says never ever seen a T3, sounds prehistoric, what's that?
You offer VIN number. He at least brightens a tad momentarily.
He says the database has several listings, not sure what the difference is between them, you decide.
He says we don't have stock on shelves anymore anyway, it'd have to be shipped in, maybe from Singapore and the database says there's only one left ...
He says IF you choose to order one, you'll first have to pay a deposit up front.

You take a desperate punt, order one of the alternative parts listed, heh I'm desperate now, pay the deposit, go home.

They never ring you to say the part has arrived, you always have to ring them, if the staffer is in who knows.
When you finally find the time, again, a return trip to town to the dealer to view the part that has arrived. Couple more hours.

NOW, FINALLY, you get to see  ............................ something.

Now if you decide there may well still be a problem with the part that has arrived, given what's been discussed here, what to do next? How do I squirm out of this????
You've paid a deposit on a part you are now uncertain about.
He says he wants full payment, you ordered it in especially. It's no good to us on the shelf, we don't do that anymore.

You can see why dealers don't get much custom from T3 owners.

Much easier and cheaper to do it online, usually after speaking with overseas parts suppliers who know there specialty or have expert contacts on T3 parts.

Part arrives at your door. Never had a wrong part arrive yet.

Cheers.

Ken



> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:52:06 +1000
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro transmission selector shaft o...
>
> If this was a syncro only seal the part number would be something like 094 141 733.
>
> Has anyone tried buying from a VW dealer?
>
>
>
> > greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Cheaper than van cafe'.
> > http://www.vw-t3-bus-shop.de/eng/gearbox-parts/gearbox/seals-gasket/index
> > .html
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012 12:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Genuine VW Syncro
> > transmission selector shaft o...
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Order from where in Australia?
> >
> > I think that this thread is just causing confusion. I don't think that
> > there is a 2wd version.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Gullyraker@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > Thats what I said.
> >
> > Order one in Australia and you get a single-sided seal.
> >
> > Order one from Van Cafe and get the two-way seal.
> >
> > Weird.
> >
> >
>
>
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