Rebuilt engine warranty period

1
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick
2
Nick, did the oil light start coming on after the oil change? What viscosity did you use?Have you taken it for a long run and the tapping is still there? Greg
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 17:48
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick



3
Stuck lifters are a fairly easy fix if that's the actual problem.

Just use those adjustable push rod tubes.

Oil treatment can solve this issue sometimes.

Bets of luck.

Cheer,s

Skot

On 23/03/2015 5:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick


4
Hi, I haven't changed the oil since Volkswerke did the engine. I imagine they used the correct oil, the oil filter is certainly the right one. The oil pressure light started flickering (on idle when warmed up) a few days ago. I did a Google and the symptoms seemed to suggest the oil filter as the problem and that it would be ok to drive it until I received a new filter. The oil light only flashes after a longish drive and only at idle. The noise started yesterday and I haven't driven since just in case it isn't a lifter. The lifters were replaced by Volkwerke during the rebuild. 
Thanks, Nick



On 23 Mar 2015, at 7:21 pm, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Nick, did the oil light start coming on after the oil change? What viscosity did you use?Have you taken it for a long run and the tapping is still there? Greg
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 17:48
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick



5

Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).


Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.


Richard

6
Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick


7
Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick



On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
 Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it  and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick


8
Nick, I think you have pretty much answered your own question. You should not do anything with out talking to Lloyd first. The engine is due for a oil change having recently been rebuilt. If Lloyd is to do the oil change there will be no future arguments about the quality of that work done. It is quite common to have to readjust the valves after running in, especially if new valve train components are used (lash adjusters particularly). One "trick" re oil pressure that makes a massive difference on wbx's is installing the oil pump cover plate without a gasket (use sealant). Greg

P.s. I will be demolishing my garage in the next month or so. If you do come to Melbourne grab those ladders.
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 8:36
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick





On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
 Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it  and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick




9
Nick,

Its not just old cars that falter - my daughters swimming friend has an 18 month old Toyota corolla that has a stuffed engine already and in the workshop for 2 weeks while it is repaired - I bet they will have problems after that too.

Dont feel too bad.

Cheers,

Skot

On 24/03/2015 8:36 AM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick



On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick



10
Another item that should be replaced if the bearings are opened up or replaced are the big end bolts.
We had the experience of a high quality rebuild, albeit more than few years ago, where they were not replaced.
She threw a rod at high but not excessive revs.

The lesson learnt, they were definitely replaced on our next two rebuilds.
Peter



--Original Message Text---
From: cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: 23 Mar 2015 06:48:23 -0700





Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).




Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.




Richard





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Hi Peter, new bolts, yes, if you can can get  them, put them away until such time you need them. I had no luck getting them, so the old ones went back in…. 

Also on oil pressure, i have a spare engine (good for some parts) sitting here with an oil pump installed which is an early Beetle one with small port holes. Even the one I ordered from GO WESTY is a Beetle one although I specified one for Syncro. Just adding to the list of possible causes….

Hart



On 24 Mar 2015, at 10:17 am, 'Peter Schweinsberg' peter@peterandval.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Another item that should be replaced if the bearings are opened up or replaced are the big end bolts.
We had the experience of a high quality rebuild, albeit more than few years ago, where they were not replaced.
She threw a rod at high but not excessive revs.

The lesson learnt, they were definitely replaced on our next two rebuilds.
Peter 



--Original Message Text---
From: cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: 23 Mar 2015 06:48:23 -0700





Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).




Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.




Richard






12
Hi Peter,
From your own past/present experiences, are you able to recommend to members any known/current Sydney Region or else NSW based businesses that have a competent/proven track record with rebuilding the WBX 2.1 engine? TIY.
Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:17:03 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Another item that should be replaced if the bearings are opened up or replaced are the big end bolts.
We had the experience of a high quality rebuild, albeit more than few years ago, where they were not replaced.
She threw a rod at high but not excessive revs.

The lesson learnt, they were definitely replaced on our next two rebuilds.
Peter



--Original Message Text---
From: cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: 23 Mar 2015 06:48:23 -0700





Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).




Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.




Richard






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Hey Ken how are you sir hope all is good was only looking at this today and thought it interesting as there is a NSW ph and in $ ers so may be worth a call for a group buy?
Pete
Sorry cant recommend anyone personally but this might be worth a call



On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Peter,
From your own past/present experiences, are you able to recommend to members any known/current Sydney Region or else NSW based businesses that have a competent/proven track record with rebuilding the WBX 2.1 engine? TIY.
Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:17:03 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Another item that should be replaced if the bearings are opened up or replaced are the big end bolts.
We had the experience of a high quality rebuild, albeit more than few years ago, where they were not replaced.
She threw a rod at high but not excessive revs.

The lesson learnt, they were definitely replaced on our next two rebuilds.
Peter



--Original Message Text---
From: cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: 23 Mar 2015 06:48:23 -0700





Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).




Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.




Richard







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Hi Ken,
unfortunately my old fleet mechanic is now enjoying well earned retirement,
but before he retired, he recommended two possibilities.

The first was:
JC Automotive
1A Campbell Pde Manly Vale
John & Michael
99491176
I only went to them once because I live at Castlereagh on the western boundary of Sydney and it is a three hour round trip.

The other was and is:
Exotic Cars
2c Bourke Street,
North Parramatta
Mark Belan and his right hand Arthur
9737 0311
Mark does all my Syncro work and has the capability of working on the Bergmeister if my Porsche mechanic is incapacitated sometime.
Mark runs a very nice T3 2WD van himself, and nothing has been an insurmountable problem to him so far.

Hope this helps,
Peter



--Original Message Text---
From: Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 23:04:01 +1100



Hi Peter,From your own past/present experiences, are you able to recommend to members any known/current Sydney Region or else NSW based businesses that have a competent/proven track record with rebuilding the WBX 2.1 engine? TIY.
Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:17:03 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Another item that should be replaced if the bearings are opened up or replaced are the big end bolts.
We had the experience of a high quality rebuild, albeit more than few years ago, where they were not replaced.
She threw a rod at high but not excessive revs.

The lesson learnt, they were definitely replaced on our next two rebuilds.
Peter



--Original Message Text---
From: cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: 23 Mar 2015 06:48:23 -0700





Hi Nick, sorry to hear you are having problems, not what you want after a re-build. I can't help on the warranty period or what's covered.

What bearing went that caused the need for a re-build? Were all bearings replaced when it was rebuilt? (crank and cam)

Low oil pressure can come from many things. If it is happening after a long run, is the motor running hotter than normal, or is the idle speed lower than normal? Both have an effect on oil pressure, and good things to check before looking further (also check oil level).




Yes it's a tough call to run the motor if there are potential issues internally, best to talk to the mechanic before doing anything so you don't void any potential warranty you might have.




Richard
















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Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.
Regards
Nick




On 24 Mar 2015, at 9:56 am, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Nick, I think you have pretty much answered your own question. You should not do anything with out talking to Lloyd first. The engine is due for a oil change having recently been rebuilt. If Lloyd is to do the oil change there will be no future arguments about the quality of that work done. It is quite common to have to readjust the valves after running in, especially if new valve train components are used (lash adjusters particularly). One "trick" re oil pressure that makes a massive difference on wbx's is installing the oil pump cover plate without a gasket (use sealant). Greg

P.s. I will be demolishing my garage in the next month or so. If you do come to Melbourne grab those ladders.
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 8:36
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick





On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
 Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it  and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick




16
Nick,

Valve timing is fairly simple but it help to have someone turn the engine for you. I had the 3 pulley motor version to work with and that made it harder as it is difficult to get a socket on - so I just used the alternator belt to turn the motor.

You need a paint pen to mark 180 degrees away from the mark on the pulley (ie the other side of the pulley).

Once you have done that just take off the valve covers (easy) and get a 14mm ring spanner & a stubby flat head screw driver.

Start with #1 cylinder (front RHS when looking at the engine from the back of the van). Take off the dizzy cap so you can see the rotor button.

Take out #1 spark plug - stick your thumb over the hole and turn motor until you feel the compression (this is where someone helping you is good).

Once compression is felt make sure the rotor button is pointing at #1 spark plug lead position and the V groove on the pulley is at the top and right on the central case joint. Release the lock nut with ring spanner and unscrew the valve adjuster. Then screw it back in till it just touches the top of the valve and wont rock. Then tighten the adjuster in 1 & a half turns and tighten lock nut. Do both the inlet & exhaust valves.

Move on to cylinder #4 and the pulley should be 180 degrees around the pulley (where you put the white mark) and the rotor button pointing at #4 cylinder. Do the same to the valves.

Then do # 3 and then # 2 cylinder.

Easier to do if the stone shield tinware to the sides are removed.

Good luck.

Cheers,

Skot




On 25/03/2015 3:21 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.
Regards
Nick




On 24 Mar 2015, at 9:56 am, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Nick, I think you have pretty much answered your own question. You should not do anything with out talking to Lloyd first. The engine is due for a oil change having recently been rebuilt. If Lloyd is to do the oil change there will be no future arguments about the quality of that work done. It is quite common to have to readjust the valves after running in, especially if new valve train components are used (lash adjusters particularly). One "trick" re oil pressure that makes a massive difference on wbx's is installing the oil pump cover plate without a gasket (use sealant). Greg

P.s. I will be demolishing my garage in the next month or so. If you do come to Melbourne grab those ladders.
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 8:36
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick





On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick





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Hey Nick, Don't think the oil light will go out if the tappets are out? Would check oil pressure to see where you are with that
Pete

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.
Regards
Nick




On 24 Mar 2015, at 9:56 am, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Nick, I think you have pretty much answered your own question. You should not do anything with out talking to Lloyd first. The engine is due for a oil change having recently been rebuilt. If Lloyd is to do the oil change there will be no future arguments about the quality of that work done. It is quite common to have to readjust the valves after running in, especially if new valve train components are used (lash adjusters particularly). One "trick" re oil pressure that makes a massive difference on wbx's is installing the oil pump cover plate without a gasket (use sealant). Greg

P.s. I will be demolishing my garage in the next month or so. If you do come to Melbourne grab those ladders.
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 8:36
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick





On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick





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Nick you will not bleed a lifter reving the engine cold. You need to take it for a long drive and get it hot. Starting and stopping the engine cold is about the worst thing you can do. I would not recommend you adjust the tappets unless you do want to void your warranty. Greg
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015, 15:21
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.
Regards
Nick






On 24 Mar 2015, at 9:56 am, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nick, I think you have pretty much answered your own question. You should not do anything with out talking to Lloyd first. The engine is due for a oil change having recently been rebuilt. If Lloyd is to do the oil change there will be no future arguments about the quality of that work done. It is quite common to have to readjust the valves after running in, especially if new valve train components are used (lash adjusters particularly). One "trick" re oil pressure that makes a massive difference on wbx's is installing the oil pump cover plate without a gasket (use sealant). Greg

P.s. I will be demolishing my garage in the next month or so. If you do come to Melbourne grab those ladders.
 
From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015, 8:36
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 
Hi, thanks for the replies. The rebuild was done 'cheaply' as we had driven 30 kms after the same firm did the head gasket (on their advice) and the engine threw a bearing on one of the Pistons. We paid $500 to get it towed back to the garage saying the van had been perfect for 6 years until the gasket was done. No culpability was put forward, but it was agreed to fix the bearing (and put in second hand cam) for $3000. It seemed a lot to us as we had a great van until we took it in to have the non urgent gasket done. So this latest problem is a worry as we are now $6000 in and had to sell our other van to pay for that.
It may simply be a stuck lifter and an oil and filter change will cure it. I am mainly concerned that changing the oil and filter will then void any chance of repair (if it is something else) being covered at all. At the same time, we are really struggling with one vehicle between us and I want to believe it isn't serious and that the van won't need to go in to the garage for moths again.
Probably a common syncro owners problem, and we may be very lucky that we had 6 years of relatively trouble free ownership!
Nick





On 24 Mar 2015, at 2:41 am, Peter Wilson peterw1000@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Nick, If its any consolation that's the cheapest rebuild I have heard of for a WBX. Did that include removal and replacement ?
 Third one I have heard of with rattles after a rebuild one of which had the buzzer of Doom as he lamented when visiting in the car but the buzzer only came on sometimes he said. Was still driving it  and still is ????
The other was $ 11000 and it was coming out to be checked after he visited.
Maybe tell them the whole forum is waiting to hear how you go with warranty and there may be some more rebuilds if he stands by his work.
Good Luck
Cheers Peter

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
We paid approx $4000 for 2.1wbx rebuild by Volkswerke recently after a bearing went. We were told everything else in the engine was fine and that the rebuilt engine would be warranties 'for a period deemed reasonable' presumably according to Australian Consumer law.
Anyone know what would be reasonable? The work was done less than 6 months ago, about 2000 or 3000 kms and the engine now has a flashing oil pressure light at low revs and a tapping on one cylinder. Want to contact Volkswerke about it but need to be armed with info first. If I changed the oil myself to check whether it is a stuck lifter etc, would Volk then refuse to look at it? Quite a trek getting up there...
Nick






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Because my Syncro is getting next to no use at the moment, I also have one sticky lifter.  A couple of days ago, I had to do a 120 km trip.  As Greg said, it usually isn’t possible to get a lifter charged with oil on a cold engine, so I set off at very moderate road speeds and stopped about every 5 km to check.  At about the 15 km mark, it had charged and was thereafter OK.  I was on highway running but kept the speed to around 75KPH.   The key to this is to achieve normal running temperature of the engine; you can’t get this through revving a cold engine.  This appears to be a sticky lifter problem, not a tappet problem.  I would not try to reset tappet clearance because of a sticky lifter.  Go for a gentle drive along the Great Ocean Road for around 20K.  If it does not fill in that time and resume quiet running, then you might have a problem with a tappet adjuster that has backed off.  If this is the case, the adjuster will be loose, which is a diagnosis in itself.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 25 March 2015 16:07
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 

 

Nick you will not bleed a lifter reving the engine cold. You need to take it for a long drive and get it hot. Starting and stopping the engine cold is about the worst thing you can do. I would not recommend you adjust the tappets unless you do want to void your warranty. Greg
 

From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015, 15:21
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

 

 

Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.

Regards

Nick



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I have noticed when I did the lifters in my 91 model engine in my 2wd caravelle that all the push rods had dented or worn the rocker seats - considerably.

Unless your rockers were replaced with new heads (which I doubt for a $4k full rebuild) the rocker seats will be dented and this makes for loose push rods and potentially noisy lifters.

Very much a worthwhile project.

It made my van idle perfectly after being done when it wouldn't idle till about 10 mins after starting.

It didn't fix my rattly bearing noise but it made a massive difference to its running.

My 2c worth.

Cheers,

Skot


On 25/03/2015 6:51 PM, 'Les Harris' leslieharris@optusnet.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

Because my Syncro is getting next to no use at the moment, I also have one sticky lifter. A couple of days ago, I had to do a 120 km trip. As Greg said, it usually isn’t possible to get a lifter charged with oil on a cold engine, so I set off at very moderate road speeds and stopped about every 5 km to check. At about the 15 km mark, it had charged and was thereafter OK. I was on highway running but kept the speed to around 75KPH. The key to this is to achieve normal running temperature of the engine; you can’t get this through revving a cold engine. This appears to be a sticky lifter problem, not a tappet problem. I would not try to reset tappet clearance because of a sticky lifter. Go for a gentle drive along the Great Ocean Road for around 20K. If it does not fill in that time and resume quiet running, then you might have a problem with a tappet adjuster that has backed off. If this is the case, the adjuster will be loose, which is a diagnosis in itself.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 25 March 2015 16:07
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Nick you will not bleed a lifter reving the engine cold. You need to take it for a long drive and get it hot. Starting and stopping the engine cold is about the worst thing you can do. I would not recommend you adjust the tappets unless you do want to void your warranty. Greg

From: "Nick Fletcher nwjfletcher@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015, 15:21
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Rebuilt engine warranty period

Hi Everyone, thanks again for the advice. I changed oil and filter yesterday but the noise is still there so I haven't driven it yet. I think the noise is very much of the stuck lifter or tappet/ valve variety and only seems on one side. (Metallic rat-at-at sound). I think my only option is to use the Bentley to have a go at the clearances myself as I don't want to drive it anywhere just in case. We are down in Anglesea so there's nothing locally.

Regards

Nick



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