Solid Shaft

1

I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to have been munched up by the Yahoo server – again!

 A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND. 

 A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other surface without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.

 It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native Syncro drive system. 

 Les

 

2

I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to have been munched up by the Yahoo server – again!

  A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND. 

  A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other surface without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.

  It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native Syncro drive system. 

  Les

 

3

I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to have been munched up by the Yahoo server – again!

  A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND. 

  A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other surface without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.

  It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native Syncro drive system. 

  Les

 

4
Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in 4wd on the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro. Never had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on easily drive train damage occrus on a syncro?

My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's with solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.

Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good reason why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some more opinions from people who are running them though.

Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Solid Shaft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to have
> been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
>
> A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
>
> A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other surface
> without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in
> premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
>
> It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other
> surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native Syncro
> drive system.
>
> Les
>
5
Gday Erik,
 
Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have our own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive our syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what suits Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
 
Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my syncro, for many reasons.
 
Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: erikhoeflinger@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft



Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in 4wd on the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro. Never had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on easily drive train damage occrus on a syncro?

My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's with solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.

Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good reason why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some more opinions from people who are running them though.

Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to have
> been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
>
> A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
>
> A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other surface
> without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in
> premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
>
> It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other
> surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native Syncro
> drive system.
>
> Les
>



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Each system has their place.

With VC

On road safety and handling
Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.

With solid shaft

Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
Driver is in control
Simple and reliable

Whatever suits your needs!





> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Erik,
>
>
>
> Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have our
> own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive our
> syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what suits
> Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
>
>
>
> Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my syncro,
> for many reasons.
>
>
>
> Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to
> raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: erikhoeflinger@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in 4wd on
> the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro. Never
> had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on easily
> drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
>
> My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's with
> solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed
> than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
>
> Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good reason
> why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some more
> opinions from people who are running them though.
>
> Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears to
> have
> > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> >
> > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> >
> > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> surface
> > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in
> > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> >
> > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other
> > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native
> Syncro
> > drive system.
> >
> > Les
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up and re fitted it

 

Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand. When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging it which is a good thing in australia.

 

 

From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft

Each system has their place.

With VC

On road safety and handling
Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.

With solid shaft

Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
Driver is in control
Simple and reliable

Whatever suits your needs!

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Erik,
>
>
>
> Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have our
> own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive our
> syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what suits
> Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
>
>
>
> Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my syncro,
> for many
reasons.
>
>
>
> Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to
> raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in 4wd on
> the road as with the vc but that does not only go for
the syncro. Never
> had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on easily
> drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
>
> My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's with
> solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed
> than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
>
> Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good reason
> why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some more
> opinions from people who are running them though.
>
> Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours
ago but it appears to
> have
> > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> >
> > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> >
> > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> surface
> > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will result in
> > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> >
> > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all other
> > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the native
> Syncro
> > drive system.
> >
> > Les
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I had my VC through bolted with three M10 high tensile bolts. The sand driving ability is now far better than before I had fitted the de-coupler (I went for a test run with the stiff VC).

It is a little annoying that to do a three point turn on a hard packed dirt road you have to disengage. I still engage 4WD for flying over the congregations on long straight dirt roads. I am also running the biggest tires that can squeeze in the arches Falken A/T 235/75 R15. They leave about 5mm of clearance on the rear swing arms! No good for mud but at 12 psi I can float over any sand hill you point a stick at.

The bottom line is the confidence I now have below the high water mark in remote surf trips is worth it.

Horses for courses.
9
It seems like you never get to see snowy and icy roads over there :))
I changed back to an extra stiff VC to be able keeping the decoupler
enganged in winter, when roads constantly change from tar to ice to
mud to snow and whatever else. "Best modification I ever..." harhar :)
I guess for a trip to Africa I might throw in that solid shaft again -
for every day use: NO WAY!

.martin



On 10.07.2009, at 04:11, hamish dobson wrote:

>
>
> For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was
> slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the
> clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up
> and re fitted it
>
> Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the
> esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever
> did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand.
> When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging
> it which is a good thing in australia.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft
>
>
> Each system has their place.
>
> With VC
>
> On road safety and handling
> Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.
>
> With solid shaft
>
> Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
> Driver is in control
> Simple and reliable
>
> Whatever suits your needs!
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Erik,
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have
> our
> > own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive
> our
> > syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what
> suits
> > Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my
> syncro,
> > for many reasons.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to
> > raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in
> 4wd on
> > the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro.
> Never
> > had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> > difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> > accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on
> easily
> > drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
> >
> > My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> > fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's
> with
> > solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed
> > than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
> >
> > Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good
> reason
> > why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some
> more
> > opinions from people who are running them though.
> >
> > Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les
> Harris
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears
> to
> > have
> > > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> > >
> > > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> > >
> > > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> > surface
> > > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will
> result in
> > > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> > >
> > > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all
> other
> > > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the
> native
> > Syncro
> > > drive system.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Gday Martin,
 
I and no doubt other Oz solid shaft users would very much appreciate you explaining here the distinctive merits of an extra stiff VC over that of a solid shaft.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
  
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: martin@easy2design.de
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:51 +0200
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft

 
It seems like you never get to see snowy and icy roads over there :))
I changed back to an extra stiff VC to be able keeping the decoupler
enganged in winter, when roads constantly change from tar to ice to
mud to snow and whatever else. "Best modification I ever..." harhar :)
I guess for a trip to Africa I might throw in that solid shaft again -
for every day use: NO WAY!

.martin

On 10.07.2009, at 04:11, hamish dobson wrote:

>
>
> For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was
> slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the
> clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up
> and re fitted it
>
> Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the
> esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever
> did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand.
> When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging
> it which is a good thing in australia.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "plander@optusnet. com.au" <plander@optusnet. com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
>
>
> Each system has their place.
>
> With VC
>
> On road safety and handling
> Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.
>
> With solid shaft
>
> Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
> Driver is in control
> Simple and reliable
>
> Whatever suits your needs!
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Erik,
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have
> our
> > own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive
> our
> > syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what
> suits
> > Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my
> syncro,
> > for many reasons.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to
> > raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in
> 4wd on
> > the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro.
> Never
> > had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> > difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> > accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on
> easily
> > drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
> >
> > My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> > fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's
> with
> > solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed
> > than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
> >
> > Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good
> reason
> > why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some
> more
> > opinions from people who are running them though.
> >
> > Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les
> Harris
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears
> to
> > have
> > > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> > >
> > > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> > >
> > > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> > surface
> > > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will
> result in
> > > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> > >
> > > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all
> other
> > > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the
> native
> > Syncro
> > > drive system.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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In my opinion we all drive for the conditions at hand, here in australia 
We have a lot of, desert, sandy beaches and extreme conditions and
I can tell u that Id rather put my Kombi in 4wd or 2wd and nothing IN between. 
Yes  I hear the old story it's nice to engauge 4wd with some accomodation
Of slip on bituman but even driving my r32 golf here in australia - it's not needed unless u think u r fangio :) there just isn't all that much ice here. Hence for those who 
Like pushing their syncro in off road conditions a decoupler and no viscous 
Coupling is a sensible choice to unloads ones drive train yet have the upmost 
Confidence when needed not to mention 0% slip in sand  
 
Sent from my iPhone   

On 11/08/2009, at 5:53 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Gday Martin,
 
I and no doubt other Oz solid shaft users would very much appreciate you explaining here the distinctive merits of an extra stiff VC over that of a solid shaft.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
  
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: martin@easy2design. de
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:51 +0200
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft

 
It seems like you never get to see snowy and icy roads over there :))
I changed back to an extra stiff VC to be able keeping the decoupler
enganged in winter, when roads constantly change from tar to ice to
mud to snow and whatever else. "Best modification I ever..." harhar :)
I guess for a trip to Africa I might throw in that solid shaft again -
for every day use: NO WAY!

.martin

On 10.07.2009, at 04:11, hamish dobson wrote:

>
>
> For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was
> slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the
> clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up
> and re fitted it
>
> Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the
> esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever
> did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand.
> When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging
> it which is a good thing in australia.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
>
>
> Each system has their place.
>
> With VC
>
> On road safety and handling
> Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.
>
> With solid shaft
>
> Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
> Driver is in control
> Simple and reliable
>
> Whatever suits your needs!
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Erik,
> >
> >
> >
> > Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have
> our
> > own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive
> our
> > syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what
> suits
> > Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my
> syncro,
> > for many reasons.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free to
> > raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in
> 4wd on
> > the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro.
> Never
> > had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> > difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> > accidentally left engaged for a second.. I guess that depends on
> easily
> > drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
> >
> > My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> > fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's
> with
> > solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-footed
> > than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
> >
> > Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good
> reason
> > why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some
> more
> > opinions from people who are running them though.
> >
> > Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les
> Harris
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears
> to
> > have
> > > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> > >
> > > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> > >
> > > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> > surface
> > > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will
> result in
> > > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> > >
> > > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all
> other
> > > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the
> native
> > Syncro
> > > drive system.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hiya,

for ME PERSONALLY it enables me to keep the 4WD enganged on rapipdly
changing road conditions. If I had only severe sand OR tar, I'd
probably drive a solid shaft. But in real life - at least in Germany -
you get a mixture of everything and if your Kombi has to serve as the
daily workhorse, your are absolutely wrong with a solid shaft. As
Hamish tried to put it: Everyone needs to drive the combination
suitable for HIS purpose. The all-happy solution won't be possible,
unless we finally integrate some different coupling hardware...

.martin


On 11.08.2009, at 09:53, Ken Garratt wrote:

>
>
> Gday Martin,
>
> I and no doubt other Oz solid shaft users would very much appreciate
> you explaining here the distinctive merits of an extra stiff VC over
> that of a solid shaft.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: martin@easy2design.de
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:51 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft
>
> It seems like you never get to see snowy and icy roads over there :))
> I changed back to an extra stiff VC to be able keeping the decoupler
> enganged in winter, when roads constantly change from tar to ice to
> mud to snow and whatever else. "Best modification I ever..." harhar :)
> I guess for a trip to Africa I might throw in that solid shaft again -
> for every day use: NO WAY!
>
> .martin
>
> On 10.07.2009, at 04:11, hamish dobson wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was
> > slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the
> > clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up
> > and re fitted it
> >
> > Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the
> > esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever
> > did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand.
> > When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging
> > it which is a good thing in australia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> > Each system has their place.
> >
> > With VC
> >
> > On road safety and handling
> > Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.
> >
> > With solid shaft
> >
> > Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
> > Driver is in control
> > Simple and reliable
> >
> > Whatever suits your needs!
> >
> > > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Erik,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have
> > our
> > > own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive
> > our
> > > syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what
> > suits
> > > Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my
> > syncro,
> > > for many reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free
> to
> > > raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in
> > 4wd on
> > > the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro.
> > Never
> > > had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> > > difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> > > accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on
> > easily
> > > drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
> > >
> > > My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> > > fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's
> > with
> > > solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-
> footed
> > > than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
> > >
> > > Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good
> > reason
> > > why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some
> > more
> > > opinions from people who are running them though.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les
> > Harris
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears
> > to
> > > have
> > > > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> > > >
> > > > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> > > >
> > > > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> > > surface
> > > > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will
> > result in
> > > > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> > > >
> > > > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all
> > other
> > > > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the
> > native
> > > Syncro
> > > > drive system.
> > > >
> > > > Les
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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13
Gday Martin,
 
Firstly, I'm interested and still hanging out you might give due thought and reply to my last post, ok. TIA.
 
We in Oz should be eternally greatful that the dreadful German driving conditions you describe and experience were perhaps the catalyst for VW producing the syncro in the first place.
 
Given VW had the choice but elected not to produce the solid shaft syncro model, all some of us in Oz have done in effect is to create it, because in our view this model suits Australian conditions best ... unmatched allrounder syncro as a 2WD daily driver and a most able offroader. So for us, fitting a VC in any form at best is indubitably a retrograde step. However from your posts, I know you are having some difficulty comprehending this.
 
Assuming one already has a rear diflock, all that's left to add is a front diflock, so achieving what you said ... "the all-happy solution." End of story.
 
Long live the syncro.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken   
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: martin@easy2design.de
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:35:16 +0200
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft

 
Hiya,

for ME PERSONALLY it enables me to keep the 4WD enganged on rapipdly
changing road conditions. If I had only severe sand OR tar, I'd
probably drive a solid shaft. But in real life - at least in Germany -
you get a mixture of everything and if your Kombi has to serve as the
daily workhorse, your are absolutely wrong with a solid shaft. As
Hamish tried to put it: Everyone needs to drive the combination
suitable for HIS purpose. The all-happy solution won't be possible,
unless we finally integrate some different coupling hardware...

.martin

On 11.08.2009, at 09:53, Ken Garratt wrote:

>
>
> Gday Martin,
>
> I and no doubt other Oz solid shaft users would very much appreciate
> you explaining here the distinctive merits of an extra stiff VC over
> that of a solid shaft.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: martin@easy2design. de
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:32:51 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
>
> It seems like you never get to see snowy and icy roads over there :))
> I changed back to an extra stiff VC to be able keeping the decoupler
> enganged in winter, when roads constantly change from tar to ice to
> mud to snow and whatever else. "Best modification I ever..." harhar :)
> I guess for a trip to Africa I might throw in that solid shaft again -
> for every day use: NO WAY!
>
> .martin
>
> On 10.07.2009, at 04:11, hamish dobson wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > For me i installed a decoupler and i pulled appart my VC which was
> > slipping and usless, cleaned out the silicon fluid and washed the
> > clutch packs and filled it full of fiberglass resin to lock it up
> > and re fitted it
> >
> > Its been in there for 10 years now and appart from fitting the
> > esikel springs it is on par with being the best modification i ever
> > did - in particular if you go off road whether it be dirt or sand.
> > When on the tar you completly unload the front end by disengauging
> > it which is a good thing in australia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "plander@optusnet. com.au" <plander@optusnet. com.au>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 7:06:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> >
> >
> > Each system has their place.
> >
> > With VC
> >
> > On road safety and handling
> > Able to use G and Reverse gear without strain on the gears.
> >
> > With solid shaft
> >
> > Better off road with 100% power to all wheels
> > Driver is in control
> > Simple and reliable
> >
> > Whatever suits your needs!
> >
> > > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Erik,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Concerning VC v Solid Shaft alternatives, clearly each of us have
> > our
> > > own and varying priorities when it comes to how and where we drive
> > our
> > > syncros, which determines how we configure them. Obviously what
> > suits
> > > Les doesn't gel with my needs nor I suspect, yours.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Opting for a solid shaft is the best change I have made in my
> > syncro,
> > > for many reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone wanting to argue the toss against solid shafts, feel free
> to
> > > raise the topic with Rudi. Good luck is all I can say.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > From: erikhoeflinger@ hotmail.com
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:29:10 +0000
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers for the input les. I understand you can no longer drive in
> > 4wd on
> > > the road as with the vc but that does not only go for the syncro.
> > Never
> > > had a problem disengaging the system in past 4wds and it's not too
> > > difficult to feel the drive difference from 2wd/4wd if it were
> > > accidentally left engaged for a second. I guess that depends on
> > easily
> > > drive train damage occrus on a syncro?
> > >
> > > My offroad driving is made up largely of sand as I often plan
> > > fishing/surfing trips along the coast. I understand the syncro's
> > with
> > > solid shafts seen performing at syncro de-mayo were more sure-
> footed
> > > than those running a vc in the more extreme offroad conditions.
> > >
> > > Seeing as solid shafts are relatively cheap I don't see a good
> > reason
> > > why i shouldn't buy one and test it myself. Be happy to hear some
> > more
> > > opinions from people who are running them though.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever considered free wheeling hubs on a syncro?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Les
> > Harris
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 3:38 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Solid Shaft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I posted a reply to Erik's message many hours ago but it appears
> > to
> > > have
> > > > been munched up by the Yahoo server - again!
> > > >
> > > > A solid shaft is suitable for sand AND ONLY FOR SAND.
> > > >
> > > > A Syncro fitted with a solid shaft cannot be driven on any other
> > > surface
> > > > without imposing an intolerable load on the gearbox and will
> > result in
> > > > premature (and horribly expensive) gearbox failure.
> > > >
> > > > It also means that the vehicle can be driven only in 2WD on all
> > other
> > > > surfaces, thus losing the many significant advantages of the
> > native
> > > Syncro
> > > > drive system.
> > > >
> > > > Les
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > Looking for a new car this winter? Let us help with car news,
> > reviews
> > > and more
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Given VW had the choice but elected not to produce the solid shaft syncro model,

Yes they did Ken. Most were sold to the military in one of the Baltic countries. They would have been available as an option in most countries by special order.


Just be careful not to use too much throttle in "G" or "R" in 2WD.
The factory decoupler engaged automatically when selecting "G" or "R".
15
On 12.08.2009, at 03:15, Ken Garratt wrote:

> Given VW had the choice but elected not to produce the solid shaft
> syncro model, all some of us in Oz have done in effect is to create
> it, because in our view this model suits Australian conditions
> best ... unmatched allrounder syncro as a 2WD daily driver and a
> most able offroader. So for us, fitting a VC in any form at best is
> indubitably a retrograde step. However from your posts, I know you
> are having some difficulty comprehending this.
>

Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin

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martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
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It's very clear...... A komibe is close to owning a tupperware  
On 12/08/2009, at 6:52 PM, Martin Henning on<martin@easy2design.de>in wrote:
 


On 12.08..2009, at 03:15,l Ken Garrat wrote:

> Given VW had the choice but elected not to produce the solid shaft
> syncro model, all some of us in Oz have done in effect is to create
> it, because in our view this model suits Australian conditions
> best ... unmatched allrounder syncro as a 2WD daily driver and a
> most able offroader. So for us, fitting a VC in any form at best is
> indubitably a retrograde step. However from your posts, I know you
> are having some difficulty comprehending this.
>

Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de


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Ok, guys, cool it!

 

Every vehicle design in the world starts with a blank sheet of paper, on which is written what the vehicle is intended to do, what market it will appeal to and how much it will cost.  Serious companies will assign percentages against desired feature so that it can be seen what needs to be traded off against what in order to achieve the desired outcome.  Some vehicles start with a most impressive wish list but they are whittled down until a balance is reached between features, manufacturability and end retail price at the dealer’s showroom.

 

It is possible to design any vehicle to do anything.  Do you want a road vehicle that has the cornering ability of a F1 Ferrari?  No problem, apart from the $500,000 price tag.   Do you want a top speed of 500km/hr?  No problem – just add another $500,000.  Need to carry 10 people?  No worries – just add another $500,000.  And so it goes on until the ultimate cost is $10 million in the dealer’s showroom. 

 

Every motor vehicle that has ever been designed is a series of compromises.  The end result is to make a profit and it is the intended retail price that dictates the extent of the compromises.  It is interesting to see the percentage evaluation process working.  It can be seen that insistence on a 95% functionality for one feature can slash the functionality of another five features to 20%.  This is marketing suicide.

 

And so it is with the Syncro.  Yes, it is possible to have a Syncro that rushes nonchalantly up rock strewn moraines (the 95%) and this reduces several other significant features to 25%.

 

Before anyone fills their lungs ready to shout me down, may I remind everyone that vehicle development engineers have to provide an objective justification for every choice they make.  There is no such thing as a board of directors that will accept “well, I think it feels better with this feature fitted” as a reason for a design choice.  It is empirical data or nothing.

 

Yes, it is possible to redesign the Syncro to rush up 100% gradients of sheet ice but not within the retail pricing framework.  It is equally possible to redesign the Syncro to do 250km/hr with ten people on board.  Anything is possible.

 

My professional view of the (eventual) choices made by the VAG/SDP engineers is that they offered the highest levels of vehicle functionality FOR THE RETAIL PRICING FRAMEWORK. 

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
Sent: 12 August 2009 18:53
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft


Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin


18

Spot on Martin. Not all Australians (as Ken implies) have, or yearn for, (or would have had, in my case, with the Syncro now updated to a T5) a return to the old fashioned technology of part-time 4WD. The marginal and questionable improvement in soft conditions of not having that 1/6th of a wheel rotation before the VC locks up never outweighed the on road drivability improvements of all wheel drive, in my opinion, even on dry bitumen. Has any-one actually done any objective back to back testing (ie same time/same conditions; not just their own before and after fitting impressions) of vans with both systems fitted anyway? I think the only justifiable use of a decoupler (and only with a working VC) is when used as Les Harris says he does. That is ONLY decoupled for parking and full lock turns.

 

BRIAN REED

FAIRFIELD NATURAL THERAPIES

185 Wingrove St

Fairfield, Vic. 3078

 

03 9481 5673   0407 319 521

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 6:53 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Solid Shaft

 

 


On 12.08.2009, at 03:15, Ken Garratt wrote:

> Given VW had the choice but elected not to produce the solid shaft
> syncro model, all some of us in Oz have done in effect is to create
> it, because in our view this model suits Australian conditions
> best ... unmatched allrounder syncro as a 2WD daily driver and a
> most able offroader. So for us, fitting a VC in any form at best is
> indubitably a retrograde step. However from your posts, I know you
> are having some difficulty comprehending this.
>

Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

19
Sounds like someone needs ta get out on the open rd in  
Tha zombie and exp it ;) 
Sent from  iPhone

On 12/08/2009, at 8:26 PM,th "Les_Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

 

Ok, guys, cool it!

 

Every vehicle design in the world starts with a blank sheet of paper, on which is written what the vehicle is intended to do, what market it will appeal to and how much it will cost.  Serious companies will assign percentages against desired feature so that it can be seen what needs to be traded off against what in order to achieve the desired outcome.  Some vehicles start with a most impressive wish list but they are whittled down until a balance is reached between features, manufacturability and end retail price at the dealer’s showroom.

 

It is possible to design any vehicle to do anything.  Do you want a road vehicle that has the cornering ability of a F1 Ferrari?  No problem, apart from the $500,000 price tag.   Do you want a top speed of 500km/hr?  No problem – just add another $500,000.  Need to carry 10 people?  No worries – just add another $500,000.  And so it goes on until the ultimate cost is $10 million in the dealer’s showroom. 

 

Every motor vehicle that has ever been designed is a series of compromises.  The end result is to make a profit and it is the intended retail price that dictates the extent of the compromises.  It is interesting to see the percentage evaluation process working.  It can be seen that insistence on a 95% functionality for one feature can slash the functionality of another five features to 20%.  This is marketing suicide.

 

And so it is with the Syncro.  Yes, it is possible to have a Syncro that rushes nonchalantly up rock strewn moraines (the 95%) and this reduces several other significant features to 25%.

 

Before anyone fills their lungs ready to shout me down, may I remind everyone that vehicle development engineers have to provide an objective justification for every choice they make.  There is no such thing as a board of directors that will accept “well, I think it feels better with this feature fitted” as a reason for a design choice.  It is empirical data or nothing.

 

Yes, it is possible to redesign the Syncro to rush up 100% gradients of sheet ice but not within the retail pricing framework.  It is equally possible to redesign the Syncro to do 250km/hr with ten people on board.  Anything is possible.

 

My professional view of the (eventual) choices made by the VAG/SDP engineers is that they offered the highest levels of vehicle functionality FOR THE RETAIL PRICING FRAMEWORK. 

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
Sent: 12 August 2009 18:53
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft


Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin



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Sounds like someone needs ta get out on the open rd in  
Tha zombie and exp it ;) 
Sent from  iPhone

On 12/08/2009, at 8:26 PM,th "Les_Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

 

Ok, guys, cool it!

 

Every vehicle design in the world starts with a blank sheet of paper, on which is written what the vehicle is intended to do, what market it will appeal to and how much it will cost.  Serious companies will assign percentages against desired feature so that it can be seen what needs to be traded off against what in order to achieve the desired outcome.  Some vehicles start with a most impressive wish list but they are whittled down until a balance is reached between features, manufacturability and end retail price at the dealer’s showroom.

 

It is possible to design any vehicle to do anything.  Do you want a road vehicle that has the cornering ability of a F1 Ferrari?  No problem, apart from the $500,000 price tag.   Do you want a top speed of 500km/hr?  No problem – just add another $500,000.  Need to carry 10 people?  No worries – just add another $500,000.  And so it goes on until the ultimate cost is $10 million in the dealer’s showroom. 

 

Every motor vehicle that has ever been designed is a series of compromises.  The end result is to make a profit and it is the intended retail price that dictates the extent of the compromises.  It is interesting to see the percentage evaluation process working.  It can be seen that insistence on a 95% functionality for one feature can slash the functionality of another five features to 20%.  This is marketing suicide.

 

And so it is with the Syncro.  Yes, it is possible to have a Syncro that rushes nonchalantly up rock strewn moraines (the 95%) and this reduces several other significant features to 25%.

 

Before anyone fills their lungs ready to shout me down, may I remind everyone that vehicle development engineers have to provide an objective justification for every choice they make.  There is no such thing as a board of directors that will accept “well, I think it feels better with this feature fitted” as a reason for a design choice.  It is empirical data or nothing.

 

Yes, it is possible to redesign the Syncro to rush up 100% gradients of sheet ice but not within the retail pricing framework.  It is equally possible to redesign the Syncro to do 250km/hr with ten people on board.  Anything is possible.

 

My professional view of the (eventual) choices made by the VAG/SDP engineers is that they offered the highest levels of vehicle functionality FOR THE RETAIL PRICING FRAMEWORK. 

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
Sent: 12 August 2009 18:53
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Solid Shaft


Always fun reading your posts :))) I can assure you, that SDP is/was
one of the most respectable companies in the area of 4WD transmission
lines. I can also assure you, that the every housewive would have
killed the syncro in NO TIME, if the solid shaft had been the default
option. But yes, i choose not to understand your point of view and so
do many others - in OZ and in DE :) I hereby congratulate you to your
outstanding understanding of the syncro and wish we all weren't so
f*cking stupid. Especially all those dumb*ss VAG/SDP engineers who
deliberately held back that dream machine!

I might have to re-re-register for that post, but my proper irony
wordlist got lost on the way.

Sorry,

Martin



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