Speed/Gear Graphs

Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear graphs in
the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro and for
the available Albins Syncro gears.

Les
Les,
If you can give me the gearbox codes (eg. 6N, 6P, AAN etc) for the Australian boxes, I have the official VW factory documentation of the ratios.

Mine is a 6P. No diff locks.

Phill.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear graphs in
> the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro and for
> the available Albins Syncro gears.
>
> Les
Phill,
 
Haven't got that far yet.  I have just used the ratios from the manual (Bentleys) and haven't checked any further yet.  I have based the table and charts on the Australian delivered final drive ratio.  Since my box has to come out, I have the opportunity to change the third and fourth ratios, so I did the graphs for my own information.  I have up to my armpits in changing computers today and haven't even looked at the website that Mark has posted.  I will do that after I have the new systems up and running.  Then it is back to ploughing through endless Department of Transport documents.  I am setting up a workshop for certification - not mine - and the paperwork is mountainous!!
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Speed/Gear Graphs

Les,
If you can give me the gearbox codes (eg. 6N, 6P, AAN etc) for the Australian boxes, I have the official VW factory documentation of the ratios.

Mine is a 6P. No diff locks.

Phill.

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear graphs in
> the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro and for
> the available Albins Syncro gears.
>
> Les

Why not use this?

see attchmnt.

.martin
Martin,
 
Thanks for being helpful but only a few of our members speak German and most of them are in Germany.  Australia got a limited issue of Syncros in terms of specifications, this including gear ratios and final drives.  I will go through it later and see how much of it applies to the Australian delivery.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Speed/Gear Graphs

Why not use this?

see attchmnt.

.martin





On 13.04.2008, at 01:48, Les Harris wrote:
> Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear graphs in
> the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro and for
> the available Albins Syncro gears.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



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Les,

i thought most of the terms explain themselves... if you have further
questions, i'll translate it for you. at least you can plot whatever
speed/grear graphs you might need in no time :) we also use this to
compare the different tire sizes and their impact on speeds etc.

ciao,

Martin

On 13.04.2008, at 10:35, Les Harris wrote:
> Martin,
>
> Thanks for being helpful but only a few of our members speak German
> and most of them are in Germany. Australia got a limited issue of
> Syncros in terms of specifications, this including gear ratios and
> final drives. I will go through it later and see how much of it
> applies to the Australian delivery.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Henning
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Why not use this?
>
> see attchmnt.
>
> .martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13.04.2008, at 01:48, Les Harris wrote:
> > Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear graphs in
> > the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro and
> for
> > the available Albins Syncro gears.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>
>



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Guys

A translated version already exists in the "files" section - at least
as regards the excel sheet.

I would be willing to translate the PDF as well in case it is of help
and once my final exams are over in a couple of weeks.

Joachim


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning
<martin@...> wrote:
>
> Les,
>
> i thought most of the terms explain themselves... if you have
further
> questions, i'll translate it for you. at least you can plot
whatever
> speed/grear graphs you might need in no time :) we also use this
to
> compare the different tire sizes and their impact on speeds etc.
>
> ciao,
>
> Martin
>
> On 13.04.2008, at 10:35, Les Harris wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > Thanks for being helpful but only a few of our members speak
German
> > and most of them are in Germany. Australia got a limited issue
of
> > Syncros in terms of specifications, this including gear ratios
and
> > final drives. I will go through it later and see how much of it
> > applies to the Australian delivery.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin Henning
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Speed/Gear Graphs
> >
> > Why not use this?
> >
> > see attchmnt.
> >
> > .martin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13.04.2008, at 01:48, Les Harris wrote:
> > > Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear
graphs in
> > > the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro
and
> > for
> > > the available Albins Syncro gears.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Martin Henning, DM5OY
> > martin@...
> > http://log.tigerbus.de
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@...
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley will be wrong.

Phill



> veilofhiddenes <spamwillbeblocked@email.de> wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> A translated version already exists in the "files" section - at least
> as regards the excel sheet.
>
> I would be willing to translate the PDF as well in case it is of help
> and once my final exams are over in a couple of weeks.
>
> Joachim
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning
> <martin@...> wrote:
> >
> > Les,
> >
> > i thought most of the terms explain themselves... if you have
> further
> > questions, i'll translate it for you. at least you can plot
> whatever
> > speed/grear graphs you might need in no time :) we also use this
> to
> > compare the different tire sizes and their impact on speeds etc.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 13.04.2008, at 10:35, Les Harris wrote:
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > Thanks for being helpful but only a few of our members speak
> German
> > > and most of them are in Germany. Australia got a limited issue
> of
> > > Syncros in terms of specifications, this including gear ratios
> and
> > > final drives. I will go through it later and see how much of it
> > > applies to the Australian delivery.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Martin Henning
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Speed/Gear Graphs
> > >
> > > Why not use this?
> > >
> > > see attchmnt.
> > >
> > > .martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13.04.2008, at 01:48, Les Harris wrote:
> > > > Mark has got me off my bum and I have posted speed-in-gear
> graphs in
> > > > the Files section for the standard Australian delivered Syncro
> and
> > > for
> > > > the available Albins Syncro gears.
> > > >
> > > > Les
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Martin Henning, DM5OY
> > > martin@...
> > > http://log.tigerbus.de
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Martin Henning, DM5OY
> > martin@...
> > http://log.tigerbus.de
> >
Phill,
 
I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet quite some years back, plus Bentleys.  Since there was a good chance that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check.  The gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
 
When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a tooth count as well.  This will at least give us a correlation between the casing identifier and the actual gearing.  I will keep you posted.  It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
 
Does anyone have their box out at the moment?  If so, it would help to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley will be wrong.

Phill

.

Look at page 3a and 3b of the Bentley for the codes.

Or do you have your M-Code sticker? It is listed on there.
Phill



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The gearing
> that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at
> least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a
> tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation between
> the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep you posted.
> It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the
> section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the
> gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help to
> know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley
> will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
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Phill,
 
It is 6PA.  On the table, this code has a slightly lower third - 1.26 cf 1.23.  The rest are the same.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Look at page 3a and 3b of the Bentley for the codes.

Or do you have your M-Code sticker? It is listed on there.
Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The gearing
> that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at
> least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a
> tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation between
> the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep you posted.
> It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the
> section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the
> gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help to
> know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley
> will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
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Hi Les

 

My car is a 89 built 1990 delivered and the gear box code is AVL29.

I have just bought a set off 0.77 albin gears to put in later


Alf Andersen

 
----- Original Message ----
From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 14 April, 2008 11:08:09 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Phill,
 
It is 6PA.  On the table, this code has a slightly lower third - 1.26 cf 1.23.  The rest are the same.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Look at page 3a and 3b of the Bentley for the codes.

Or do you have your M-Code sticker? It is listed on there.
Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The gearing
> that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at
> least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a
> tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation between
> the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep you posted.
> It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the
> section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the
> gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help to
> know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley
> will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
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From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

 

Phill,

 

I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet quite some years back, plus Bentleys.  Since there was a good chance that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check.  The gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.

 

When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a tooth count as well.  This will at least give us a correlation between the casing identifier and the actual gearing.  I will keep you posted.  It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.

 

Does anyone have their box out at the moment?  If so, it would help to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.

 

Les

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM

Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

 

What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in Australia . I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley will be wrong.

Phill


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Well, thanks for these...

some comments:

"The Europeans sniff at the 6.17s and remove them from their vehicles at
the first opportunity, but I think this is because they do not
appreciate 1) how
impossibly high the G gear is, and that it needs to be brought down as
low as
possible for real off-roading, which they do not do so much over there
due to a
lack of places to adventure, and 2) they have not yet appreciated how
easy it is to
simply change your 3rd and 4th gears to negate ill effects of the 6.17
has on
gearing. Accordingly, I view their tendency to de-install the 6.17s as
a mistake."

Maybe Derek didn't notice, but "the Europeans" mostly run Diesel
engines in their syncros and thus don't count on running the car at
4000 rpm :) And yes, we do know about custom gears, but we have
highways for unlimited speeds, so we don't stick to lousy 65 mph all
the time :P No no, he is right - for serious offroading, you'd want to
go as low as possible, but you'll never be able to get an acceptable
speed range for offroad AND highway with a diesel engine (at least not
for German highways) and... as many believe over here: You don't want
a 2.1ltr engine offroading, as it has power only at higher rpm. The
diesel "just pushes" - as always, 2 holy grails for the believers :D
Maybe prices for gasoline are just to high in Germany?

"...for those who are willing to change their rear trailing arms to
16" type"

You can't imagine how willing I am :) For us Europeans the price for
some used trailing arms have gone up to 1000 EUR/pair. JUST the
trailing arms. We are not talking about stub axles, flanges or any
109mm stuff here. So for a complete setup one might invest 2500+ EUR.
Gearboxes, tires and special shocks add to that. How nice is that? :)

Well, I think Derek has done some nice calculations, but they are far
from everyday's reality. I have dreams like these, too, and I'd
certainly choose these tire sizes and gear box ratios aswell, but for
now.... I'll have to stay down on the floor where a student belongs,
with my tiny tiny 215/80R15 and 5.43 standard gearbox which gives the
same 9.9mph in G as Dereks setup - ok, I have not 2.1ltr with 100+ hp,
just a 1.9 _S_Di with around... 75hp or so :)

Happy dreaming,

Martin... a biiiit jealous :D

P.S.: CC went to Derek



On 14.04.2008, at 15:45, peter hungerford wrote:
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The
> gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff
> gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do
> a tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation
> between the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep
> you posted. It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD
> throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never
> appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help
> to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the
> Bentley will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
>
>
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>
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Hi martin

 

Well, not all europeans dislike the very shortest final drive J

I swapped the gearbox of my wife’s 16” 1600td with the one of my 14 inch doka cabrio.

The cabrio runs 14 inch tractor tires, they pull like crazy J Some video footage of the cabrio is an my site at the video page, the video is called vertigo

 

I will use the same setup on a 71centimeters shortened single cab, but that’s a project for later this year.

 

In My orange doka I run an oettinger wbx6 with 165 hp and 260Nm. Final drive is 5.83 but my gearbox rebuilder used the longer and stronger 3rd an 4th from albins and put in the south afrcan oiling plates. It’s not a race machine in this setup but it’s  powerfull enough offroad, on the road it pulls like a small car with a tdi engine. I don’t care much about the top speed as the 215 80 r16 offroad tires allow a max speed of only 140 km/h, so there’s no use in driving faster.

 

Mike

www.busman.be

 

 


Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] Namens Martin Henning
Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:13
Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
CC: Derek Drew
Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

 

Well, thanks for these...

some comments:

"The Europeans sniff at the 6.17s and remove them from their vehicles at
the first opportunity, but I think this is because they do not
appreciate 1) how
impossibly high the G gear is, and that it needs to be brought down as
low as
possible for real off-roading, which they do not do so much over there
due to a
lack of places to adventure, and 2) they have not yet appreciated how
easy it is to
simply change your 3rd and 4th gears to negate ill effects of the 6.17
has on
gearing. Accordingly, I view their tendency to de-install the 6.17s as
a mistake."

Maybe Derek didn't notice, but "the Europeans" mostly run Diesel
engines in their syncros and thus don't count on running the car at
4000 rpm :) And yes, we do know about custom gears, but we have
highways for unlimited speeds, so we don't stick to lousy 65 mph all
the time :P No no, he is right - for serious offroading, you'd want to
go as low as possible, but you'll never be able to get an acceptable
speed range for offroad AND highway with a diesel engine (at least not
for German highways) and... as many believe over here: You don't want
a 2.1ltr engine offroading, as it has power only at higher rpm. The
diesel "just pushes" - as always, 2 holy grails for the believers :D
Maybe prices for gasoline are just to high in Germany?

"...for those who are willing to change their rear trailing arms to
16" type"

You can't imagine how willing I am :) For us Europeans the price for
some used trailing arms have gone up to 1000 EUR/pair. JUST the
trailing arms. We are not talking about stub axles, flanges or any
109mm stuff here. So for a complete setup one might invest 2500+ EUR.
Gearboxes, tires and special shocks add to that. How nice is that? :)

Well, I think Derek has done some nice calculations, but they are far
from everyday's reality. I have dreams like these, too, and I'd
certainly choose these tire sizes and gear box ratios aswell, but for
now.... I'll have to stay down on the floor where a student belongs,
with my tiny tiny 215/80R15 and 5.43 standard gearbox which gives the
same 9.9mph in G as Dereks setup - ok, I have not 2.1ltr with 100+ hp,
just a 1.9 _S_Di with around... 75hp or so :)

Happy dreaming,

Martin... a biiiit jealous :D

P.S.: CC went to Derek

On 14.04.2008, at 15:45, peter hungerford wrote:
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The
> gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff
> gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do
> a tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation
> between the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep
> you posted. It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD
> throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never
> appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help
> to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the
> Bentley will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG.
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martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

Hey, I also like short axle, but i'd never want to go on expedition to
sibiria with an oettinger wbx6!! :D As i said... with the right amount
of money i could also imagine building the best of the best :)

.martin

On 14.04.2008, at 16:41, mike wrote:
> Hi martin
>
> Well, not all europeans dislike the very shortest final drive J
> I swapped the gearbox of my wife’s 16” 1600td with the one of my 14
> inch doka cabrio.
> The cabrio runs 14 inch tractor tires, they pull like crazy J Some
> video footage of the cabrio is an my site at the video page, the
> video is called vertigo
>
> I will use the same setup on a 71centimeters shortened single cab,
> but that’s a project for later this year.
>
> In My orange doka I run an oettinger wbx6 with 165 hp and 260Nm.
> Final drive is 5.83 but my gearbox rebuilder used the longer and
> stronger 3rd an 4th from albins and put in the south afrcan oiling
> plates. It’s not a race machine in this setup but it’s powerfull
> enough offroad, on the road it pulls like a small car with a tdi
> engine. I don’t care much about the top speed as the 215 80 r16
> offroad tires allow a max speed of only 140 km/h, so there’s no use
> in driving faster.
>
> Mike
> www.busman.be
>
>
> Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> ] Namens Martin Henning
> Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:13
> Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> CC: Derek Drew
> Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Well, thanks for these...
>
> some comments:
>
> "The Europeans sniff at the 6.17s and remove them from their
> vehicles at
> the first opportunity, but I think this is because they do not
> appreciate 1) how
> impossibly high the G gear is, and that it needs to be brought down as
> low as
> possible for real off-roading, which they do not do so much over there
> due to a
> lack of places to adventure, and 2) they have not yet appreciated how
> easy it is to
> simply change your 3rd and 4th gears to negate ill effects of the 6.17
> has on
> gearing. Accordingly, I view their tendency to de-install the 6.17s as
> a mistake."
>
> Maybe Derek didn't notice, but "the Europeans" mostly run Diesel
> engines in their syncros and thus don't count on running the car at
> 4000 rpm :) And yes, we do know about custom gears, but we have
> highways for unlimited speeds, so we don't stick to lousy 65 mph all
> the time :P No no, he is right - for serious offroading, you'd want to
> go as low as possible, but you'll never be able to get an acceptable
> speed range for offroad AND highway with a diesel engine (at least not
> for German highways) and... as many believe over here: You don't want
> a 2.1ltr engine offroading, as it has power only at higher rpm. The
> diesel "just pushes" - as always, 2 holy grails for the believers :D
> Maybe prices for gasoline are just to high in Germany?
>
> "...for those who are willing to change their rear trailing arms to
> 16" type"
>
> You can't imagine how willing I am :) For us Europeans the price for
> some used trailing arms have gone up to 1000 EUR/pair. JUST the
> trailing arms. We are not talking about stub axles, flanges or any
> 109mm stuff here. So for a complete setup one might invest 2500+ EUR.
> Gearboxes, tires and special shocks add to that. How nice is that? :)
>
> Well, I think Derek has done some nice calculations, but they are far
> from everyday's reality. I have dreams like these, too, and I'd
> certainly choose these tire sizes and gear box ratios aswell, but for
> now.... I'll have to stay down on the floor where a student belongs,
> with my tiny tiny 215/80R15 and 5.43 standard gearbox which gives the
> same 9.9mph in G as Dereks setup - ok, I have not 2.1ltr with 100+ hp,
> just a 1.9 _S_Di with around... 75hp or so :)
>
> Happy dreaming,
>
> Martin... a biiiit jealous :D
>
> P.S.: CC went to Derek
>
> On 14.04.2008, at 15:45, peter hungerford wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
> >
> > Phill,
> >
> > I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> > quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> > that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The
> > gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff
> > gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
> >
> > When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do
> > a tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation
> > between the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep
> > you posted. It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD
> > throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never
> > appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
> >
> > Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help
> > to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
> >
> > What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> > Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the
> > Bentley will be wrong.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
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> >
> >
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> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
> > 13/04/2008 1:45 PM
> >
> > <syncro gear ratios for big tyres.pdf><syncro gear ratios for big
> > tyres.pdf>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>



--
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martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
You're spot on martin, but with the oettinger you don't have to be afraid to
break down in Siberia, most likely he won't make it that far :-)

The problem with building the right gearbox is that you have to take various
parameters in count : type of vehicle, caracteristics of the power outlet of
the engine and the kind of tires/wheels you're running. It's very important
that by spreading the gears you don't get gaps between them.

Mike

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] Namens Martin Henning
Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:53
Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Hey, I also like short axle, but i'd never want to go on expedition to
sibiria with an oettinger wbx6!! :D As i said... with the right amount
of money i could also imagine building the best of the best :)

.martin

On 14.04.2008, at 16:41, mike wrote:
> Hi martin
>
> Well, not all europeans dislike the very shortest final drive J
> I swapped the gearbox of my wife's 16" 1600td with the one of my 14
> inch doka cabrio.
> The cabrio runs 14 inch tractor tires, they pull like crazy J Some
> video footage of the cabrio is an my site at the video page, the
> video is called vertigo
>
> I will use the same setup on a 71centimeters shortened single cab,
> but that's a project for later this year.
>
> In My orange doka I run an oettinger wbx6 with 165 hp and 260Nm.
> Final drive is 5.83 but my gearbox rebuilder used the longer and
> stronger 3rd an 4th from albins and put in the south afrcan oiling
> plates. It's not a race machine in this setup but it's powerfull
> enough offroad, on the road it pulls like a small car with a tdi
> engine. I don't care much about the top speed as the 215 80 r16
> offroad tires allow a max speed of only 140 km/h, so there's no use
> in driving faster.
>
> Mike
> www.busman.be
>
>
> Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> ] Namens Martin Henning
> Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:13
> Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> CC: Derek Drew
> Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Well, thanks for these...
>
> some comments:
>
> "The Europeans sniff at the 6.17s and remove them from their
> vehicles at
> the first opportunity, but I think this is because they do not
> appreciate 1) how
> impossibly high the G gear is, and that it needs to be brought down as
> low as
> possible for real off-roading, which they do not do so much over there
> due to a
> lack of places to adventure, and 2) they have not yet appreciated how
> easy it is to
> simply change your 3rd and 4th gears to negate ill effects of the 6.17
> has on
> gearing. Accordingly, I view their tendency to de-install the 6.17s as
> a mistake."
>
> Maybe Derek didn't notice, but "the Europeans" mostly run Diesel
> engines in their syncros and thus don't count on running the car at
> 4000 rpm :) And yes, we do know about custom gears, but we have
> highways for unlimited speeds, so we don't stick to lousy 65 mph all
> the time :P No no, he is right - for serious offroading, you'd want to
> go as low as possible, but you'll never be able to get an acceptable
> speed range for offroad AND highway with a diesel engine (at least not
> for German highways) and... as many believe over here: You don't want
> a 2.1ltr engine offroading, as it has power only at higher rpm. The
> diesel "just pushes" - as always, 2 holy grails for the believers :D
> Maybe prices for gasoline are just to high in Germany?
>
> "...for those who are willing to change their rear trailing arms to
> 16" type"
>
> You can't imagine how willing I am :) For us Europeans the price for
> some used trailing arms have gone up to 1000 EUR/pair. JUST the
> trailing arms. We are not talking about stub axles, flanges or any
> 109mm stuff here. So for a complete setup one might invest 2500+ EUR.
> Gearboxes, tires and special shocks add to that. How nice is that? :)
>
> Well, I think Derek has done some nice calculations, but they are far
> from everyday's reality. I have dreams like these, too, and I'd
> certainly choose these tire sizes and gear box ratios aswell, but for
> now.... I'll have to stay down on the floor where a student belongs,
> with my tiny tiny 215/80R15 and 5.43 standard gearbox which gives the
> same 9.9mph in G as Dereks setup - ok, I have not 2.1ltr with 100+ hp,
> just a 1.9 _S_Di with around... 75hp or so :)
>
> Happy dreaming,
>
> Martin... a biiiit jealous :D
>
> P.S.: CC went to Derek
>
> On 14.04.2008, at 15:45, peter hungerford wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
> >
> > Phill,
> >
> > I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> > quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> > that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The
> > gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff
> > gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
> >
> > When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do
> > a tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation
> > between the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep
> > you posted. It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD
> > throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never
> > appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
> >
> > Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help
> > to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
> >
> > What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> > Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the
> > Bentley will be wrong.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
> > 13/04/2008 1:45 PM
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
> > 13/04/2008 1:45 PM
> >
> > <syncro gear ratios for big tyres.pdf><syncro gear ratios for big
> > tyres.pdf>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>



--
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martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de



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Hi Mike,

On 14.04.2008, at 17:42, mike wrote:
> You're spot on martin, but with the oettinger you don't have to be
> afraid to
> break down in Siberia, most likely he won't make it that far :-)

*lol*

> The problem with building the right gearbox is that you have to take
> various
> parameters in count : type of vehicle, caracteristics of the power
> outlet of
> the engine and the kind of tires/wheels you're running. It's very
> important
> that by spreading the gears you don't get gaps between them.

Exactly... to cope with bigger gaps, you'll need to push up engine
power, which eventually destroys the gearboxes anyway. To keep them
narrow, your engine needs to run at high rpm - which contradicts with
the diesel variant. So whatever you do, something bites you where it
hurts :D All in all, it is a very personal decision, as everyone is
trying to customize their personal vehicle towards their personal
interests - and that's what made the vanagon become a legend... so
keep on doing it :)

.martin

>
>
> Mike
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] Namens Martin Henning
> Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:53
> Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
> Hey, I also like short axle, but i'd never want to go on expedition to
> sibiria with an oettinger wbx6!! :D As i said... with the right amount
> of money i could also imagine building the best of the best :)
>
> .martin
>
> On 14.04.2008, at 16:41, mike wrote:
>> Hi martin
>>
>> Well, not all europeans dislike the very shortest final drive J
>> I swapped the gearbox of my wife's 16" 1600td with the one of my 14
>> inch doka cabrio.
>> The cabrio runs 14 inch tractor tires, they pull like crazy J Some
>> video footage of the cabrio is an my site at the video page, the
>> video is called vertigo
>>
>> I will use the same setup on a 71centimeters shortened single cab,
>> but that's a project for later this year.
>>
>> In My orange doka I run an oettinger wbx6 with 165 hp and 260Nm.
>> Final drive is 5.83 but my gearbox rebuilder used the longer and
>> stronger 3rd an 4th from albins and put in the south afrcan oiling
>> plates. It's not a race machine in this setup but it's powerfull
>> enough offroad, on the road it pulls like a small car with a tdi
>> engine. I don't care much about the top speed as the 215 80 r16
>> offroad tires allow a max speed of only 140 km/h, so there's no use
>> in driving faster.
>>
>> Mike
>> www.busman.be
>>
>>
>> Van: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>> ] Namens Martin Henning
>> Verzonden: maandag 14 april 2008 16:13
>> Aan: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>> CC: Derek Drew
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>>
>> Well, thanks for these...
>>
>> some comments:
>>
>> "The Europeans sniff at the 6.17s and remove them from their
>> vehicles at
>> the first opportunity, but I think this is because they do not
>> appreciate 1) how
>> impossibly high the G gear is, and that it needs to be brought down
>> as
>> low as
>> possible for real off-roading, which they do not do so much over
>> there
>> due to a
>> lack of places to adventure, and 2) they have not yet appreciated how
>> easy it is to
>> simply change your 3rd and 4th gears to negate ill effects of the
>> 6.17
>> has on
>> gearing. Accordingly, I view their tendency to de-install the 6.17s
>> as
>> a mistake."
>>
>> Maybe Derek didn't notice, but "the Europeans" mostly run Diesel
>> engines in their syncros and thus don't count on running the car at
>> 4000 rpm :) And yes, we do know about custom gears, but we have
>> highways for unlimited speeds, so we don't stick to lousy 65 mph all
>> the time :P No no, he is right - for serious offroading, you'd want
>> to
>> go as low as possible, but you'll never be able to get an acceptable
>> speed range for offroad AND highway with a diesel engine (at least
>> not
>> for German highways) and... as many believe over here: You don't want
>> a 2.1ltr engine offroading, as it has power only at higher rpm. The
>> diesel "just pushes" - as always, 2 holy grails for the believers :D
>> Maybe prices for gasoline are just to high in Germany?
>>
>> "...for those who are willing to change their rear trailing arms to
>> 16" type"
>>
>> You can't imagine how willing I am :) For us Europeans the price for
>> some used trailing arms have gone up to 1000 EUR/pair. JUST the
>> trailing arms. We are not talking about stub axles, flanges or any
>> 109mm stuff here. So for a complete setup one might invest 2500+ EUR.
>> Gearboxes, tires and special shocks add to that. How nice is that? :)
>>
>> Well, I think Derek has done some nice calculations, but they are far
>> from everyday's reality. I have dreams like these, too, and I'd
>> certainly choose these tire sizes and gear box ratios aswell, but for
>> now.... I'll have to stay down on the floor where a student belongs,
>> with my tiny tiny 215/80R15 and 5.43 standard gearbox which gives the
>> same 9.9mph in G as Dereks setup - ok, I have not 2.1ltr with 100+
>> hp,
>> just a 1.9 _S_Di with around... 75hp or so :)
>>
>> Happy dreaming,
>>
>> Martin... a biiiit jealous :D
>>
>> P.S.: CC went to Derek
>>
>> On 14.04.2008, at 15:45, peter hungerford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
>>> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:51 AM
>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>>>
>>> Phill,
>>>
>>> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
>>> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
>>> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The
>>> gearing that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff
>>> gearing, so at least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>>>
>>> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do
>>> a tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation
>>> between the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep
>>> you posted. It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD
>>> throughout the section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never
>>> appears in any of the gearbox charts that I have seen.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help
>>> to know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>>>
>>> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
>>> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the
>>> Bentley will be wrong.
>>>
>>> Phill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG.
>>> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
>>> 13/04/2008 1:45 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>> Checked by AVG.
>>> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date:
>>> 13/04/2008 1:45 PM
>>>
>>> <syncro gear ratios for big tyres.pdf><syncro gear ratios for big
>>> tyres.pdf>
>>
>> --
>> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>> martin@easy2design.de
>> http://log.tigerbus.de
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Les, just home had a look at my box its a 6P 03 090, I found a gearbox ratio chart from Brick yard don't knowhow accurate it is.  but heres the link. http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/VehicleSpecific/T3/info/gbx.htm
 
Phil Lee

----- Original Message ----
From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Phill,
 
It is 6PA.  On the table, this code has a slightly lower third - 1.26 cf 1.23.  The rest are the same.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Look at page 3a and 3b of the Bentley for the codes.

Or do you have your M-Code sticker? It is listed on there.
Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I was working from memory of charts that I had found on the Internet
> quite some years back, plus Bentleys. Since there was a good chance
> that I had got it wrong, I resurrected the charts to check. The gearing
> that I listed agrees with the charts against 5.43 diff gearing, so at
> least my memory wasn't letting me down.
>
> When I get my box out, I will check the details on the casing and do a
> tooth count as well. This will at least give us a correlation between
> the casing identifier and the actual gearing. I will keep you posted.
> It is interesting that the VAG manual refers to 094-4WD throughout the
> section starting 39-15 but that nomenclature never appears in any of the
> gearbox charts that I have seen.
>
> Does anyone have their box out at the moment? If so, it would help to
> know what is on the case by way of identifiers.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs
>
>
> What we need to do first is find out what gearboxes we have in
> Australia. I think that the US ones are different, therefore the Bentley
> will be wrong.
>
> Phill
>
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Phil,
 
The 6P and 6PA ratios are the same, according to that chart.  It will be interesting to see in the longer term which boxes were fitted to the Australian delivery Syncros.  Somewhere in my records I have the spec sheet for the first Syncros delivered to Australia.  It was noticeable that the sheet specified 4.86 final drive.  To my knowledge, Australia got the 5.43 only.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Lee
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Speed/Gear Graphs

Les, just home had a look at my box its a 6P 03 090, I found a gearbox ratio chart from Brick yard don't knowhow accurate it is.  but heres the link. http://www.brick- yard.co.uk/ VehicleSpecific/ T3/info/gbx. htm
 
Phil Lee

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