Starter Motor Faulty

21

Hi Les, disagree,

Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully stop/start—stop/start – when I put it back in it worked.........once....... I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and discovered hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took the word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives next door) said it was a rather common occurrence.

To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be wrong with Dave’s starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check this item too.

Hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

David,

Intermittent starter function is almost always a result of bad electrical contacts, either in the starter switch or along the way to the solenoid.  When I pulled mine out and bench tested it, it ran perfectly, this confirming that it was in the wiring, not the starter or the solenoid.  Starter/solenoids can fail, of course, but never in the intermittent mode.  If it doesn’t run on the bench, then the problem is internal to the starter/solenoid.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: 15 January 2012 11:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

Thanks Les,
Ill check the ignition switch out first but I have the gut feeling the starter motor is at fault. Auto Electrician visit tomorrow on the to do list. Thanks for the excellent advice
Dave

_,_._,___

22
How do you run it out of the car as it doesn,t have a bearing at the business end?



> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Les, disagree,
>
> Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully
> stop/start-stop/start - when I put it back in it
> worked.........once.......
> I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and
> discovered
> hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took the
> word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives next
> door) said it was a rather common occurrence.
>
> To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be wrong
> with
> Dave's starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check this
> item
> too.
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
> David,
>
> Intermittent starter function is almost always a result of bad
> electrical
> contacts, either in the starter switch or along the way to the solenoid.
> When I pulled mine out and bench tested it, it ran perfectly, this
> confirming that it was in the wiring, not the starter or the solenoid.
> Starter/solenoids can fail, of course, but never in the intermittent
> mode.
> If it doesn't run on the bench, then the problem is internal to the
> starter/solenoid.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: 15 January 2012 11:38
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
> Thanks Les,
> Ill check the ignition switch out first but I have the gut feeling the
> starter motor is at fault. Auto Electrician visit tomorrow on the to do
> list. Thanks for the excellent advice
> Dave
>
> _,_._,___
23
Out of the thousands of DC motors that I have serviced, I have never seen a problem with a hairline crack in the comutator. Then again 1500 volts DC doesn't worry about cracks. ;)

Phill




> > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les, disagree,
> >
> > Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully
> > stop/start-stop/start - when I put it back in it
> > worked.........once.......
> > I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and
> > discovered
> > hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took
> the
> > word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives
> next
> > door) said it was a rather common occurrence.
> >
> > To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be
> wrong
> > with
> > Dave's starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check
> this
> > item
> > too.
> >
> > Hartmut
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
24

Made up a simple jig, few pieces of form ply, works a treat. Helps having been a farmer for a fair few years.....Ha

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:15 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

How do you run it out of the car as it doesn,t have a bearing at the business end?

> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Les, disagree,
>
> Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully
> stop/start-stop/start - when I put it back in it
> worked.........once.......
> I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and
> discovered
> hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took the
> word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives next
> door) said it was a rather common occurrence.
>
> To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be wrong
> with
> Dave's starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check this
> item
> too.
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
> David,
>
> Intermittent starter function is almost always a result of bad
> electrical
> contacts, either in the starter switch or along the way to the solenoid.
> When I pulled mine out and bench tested it, it ran perfectly, this
> confirming that it was in the wiring, not the starter or the solenoid.
> Starter/solenoids can fail, of course, but never in the intermittent
> mode.
> If it doesn't run on the bench, then the problem is internal to the
> starter/solenoid.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: 15 January 2012 11:38
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
> Thanks Les,
> Ill check the ignition switch out first but I have the gut feeling the
> starter motor is at fault. Auto Electrician visit tomorrow on the to do
> list. Thanks for the excellent advice
> Dave
>
> _,_._,___

25

Phill, my whiteboard has the caption : Next time Phill/Joanne show up for coffee, show him the Bosch armature...   Ha.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:20 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

Out of the thousands of DC motors that I have serviced, I have never seen a problem with a hairline crack in the comutator. Then again 1500 volts DC doesn't worry about cracks. ;)

Phill

> > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les, disagree,
> >
> > Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully
> > stop/start-stop/start - when I put it back in it
> > worked.........once.......
> > I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and
> > discovered
> > hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took
> the
> > word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives
> next
> > door) said it was a rather common occurrence.
> >
> > To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be
> wrong
> > with
> > Dave's starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check
> this
> > item
> > too.
> >
> > Hartmut
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

26

Hartmut,

Point taken.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 15 January 2012 12:10
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

Hi Les, disagree, Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully stop/start—stop/start – when I put it back in it worked.........once....... I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and discovered hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took the word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives next door) said it was a rather common occurrence. To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be wrong with Dave’s starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check this item too.

Hartmut

27

Hi Dave, the sensor you mention is very often overlooked. For months on end I had those problem with the Tristar , when I rang Steve Muller he said , Hardee it sounds like the temp sensor to me ...He put one in the mail, it never gave any problems since. I do carry a spare also. Ha.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dale
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:59 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

Dave
If your motor sounds like it has full choke applied regarding the rough
running it can be caused by the temperature sensor that interfaces with the
emc unit the resistant values change with the sensed heat which then tells
the emc unit what air/fuel mix is required, if the unit goes us the problems
start
bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:11 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

Shouldn't matter. Fuel injected.

> Greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> How did you turn it off. Timing to far advanced?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com>
> To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com"
> <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
> ÂÂ
>
> Ignition switch for starters. Pardon the pun. Greg E
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:30 AM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
> ÂÂ
> Hi All,
> Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping ground,
> nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking
> sounds around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily.
> I think this points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to
> replace/ recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter
> with a shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring
> on the starter motor I should check.
> Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss what
> I believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any
> tips Cheers Dave
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

28

Bob,

Where does this sensor read from?

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dale
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:59 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

Dave
If your motor sounds like it has full choke applied regarding the rough
running it can be caused by the temperature sensor that interfaces with the
emc unit the resistant values change with the sensed heat which then tells
the emc unit what air/fuel mix is required, if the unit goes us the problems
start
bob
_,___

29

Les,  you find it also in Bentley  19.11  Ha.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 12:46 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

Bob,

Where does this sensor read from?

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dale
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:59 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

Dave
If your motor sounds like it has full choke applied regarding the rough
running it can be caused by the temperature sensor that interfaces with the
emc unit the resistant values change with the sensed heat which then tells
the emc unit what air/fuel mix is required, if the unit goes us the problems
start
bob
_,___

30

Hartmut,

I was looking in the wrong place!  Thanks.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 15 January 2012 12:59
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

 

Les,  you find it also in Bentley  19.11  Ha.

_,_._,___

31
Hi Hatmut,
What was the price for the modified air flow sensor?
Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, the sensor you mention is very often overlooked. For months on
> end I had those problem with the Tristar , when I rang Steve Muller he said
> , Hardee it sounds like the temp sensor to me ...He put one in the mail, it
> never gave any problems since. I do carry a spare also. Ha.
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dale
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:59 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave
> If your motor sounds like it has full choke applied regarding the rough
> running it can be caused by the temperature sensor that interfaces with the
> emc unit the resistant values change with the sensed heat which then tells
> the emc unit what air/fuel mix is required, if the unit goes us the problems
> start
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> plander@... <mailto:plander%40optusnet.com.au>
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:11 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
> Shouldn't matter. Fuel injected.
>
> > Greg esposito <gregespo73@... <mailto:gregespo73%40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
> >
> > How did you turn it off. Timing to far advanced?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: greg esposito <gregespo73@... <mailto:gregespo73%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> "
> > <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > Ignition switch for starters. Pardon the pun. Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David <davidleibmann@...
> <mailto:davidleibmann%40yahoo.com.au> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:30 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hi All,
> > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping ground,
> > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking
> > sounds around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily.
> > I think this points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to
> > replace/ recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter
> > with a shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring
> > on the starter motor I should check.
> > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss what
> > I believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any
> > tips Cheers Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
32
you're right..
the starter will run without support from a front bushing..
but it's not good for it.
Ideally ..run it in another bell housing, with bushing,  or section of said bell housing.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

How do you run it out of the car as it doesn,t have a bearing at the business end?

> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Les, disagree,
>
> Having the st/motor on the test bench it ran beautifully
> stop/start-stop/start - when I put it back in it
> worked.........once.......
> I had it out 3 times . In the end I inspected the armature and
> discovered
> hairline cracks in the connection between commutator (pls help, took the
> word from german) and armature windings. My auto electrician (lives next
> door) said it was a rather common occurrence.
>
> To see the cracks it helps to use a magnifier . This might not be wrong
> with
> Dave's starter but believe me, if the starter is out I would check this
> item
> too.
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:51 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
> David,
>
> Intermittent starter function is almost always a result of bad
> electrical
> contacts, either in the starter switch or along the way to the solenoid.
> When I pulled mine out and bench tested it, it ran perfectly, this
> confirming that it was in the wiring, not the starter or the solenoid.
> Starter/solenoids can fail, of course, but never in the intermittent
> mode.
> If it doesn't run on the bench, then the problem is internal to the
> starter/solenoid.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: 15 January 2012 11:38
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
> Thanks Les,
> Ill check the ignition switch out first but I have the gut feeling the
> starter motor is at fault. Auto Electrician visit tomorrow on the to do
> list. Thanks for the excellent advice
> Dave
>
> _,_._,___

33

Dave, can’t really remember it’s too long ago, maybe $ +- 50.00 Hart

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 1:12 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

Hi Hatmut,
What was the price for the modified air flow sensor?
Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, the sensor you mention is very often overlooked. For months on
> end I had those problem with the Tristar , when I rang Steve Muller he said
> , Hardee it sounds like the temp sensor to me ...He put one in the mail, it
> never gave any problems since. I do carry a spare also. Ha.
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dale
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 11:59 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave
> If your motor sounds like it has full choke applied regarding the rough
> running it can be caused by the temperature sensor that interfaces with the
> emc unit the resistant values change with the sensed heat which then tells
> the emc unit what air/fuel mix is required, if the unit goes us the problems
> start
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> plander@... <mailto:plander%40optusnet.com.au>
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:11 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
>
> Shouldn't matter. Fuel injected.
>
> > Greg esposito <gregespo73@... <mailto:gregespo73%40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
> >
> > How did you turn it off. Timing to far advanced?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: greg esposito <gregespo73@... <mailto:gregespo73%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> "
> > <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > Ignition switch for starters. Pardon the pun. Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David <davidleibmann@...
> <mailto:davidleibmann%40yahoo.com.au> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:30 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Hi All,
> > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping ground,
> > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking
> > sounds around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily.
> > I think this points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to
> > replace/ recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter
> > with a shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring
> > on the starter motor I should check.
> > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss what
> > I believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any
> > tips Cheers Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

34
Hi Hartmut,
Sorry about my bad spelling. Yes we decided to head home yesterday to Coffs. Where do you live? We will definitely be heading down to Crowdy Bay NP again, matbe Easter. Do you know where I can buy a Vanagon Syndrome cable from? Many thanks for the offer to help out.
Dave


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Dave are you gone home ? I do have a switch (you should have a spare too)
> AND I do have a Vanagon Syndrome cable for you to test or borrow until you
> can find one. At the time it helped Francesca.
>
> Hartmut ( with a "r" it's what my ASUS l/top doesn't like to activate ,
> wouldn't recommend that brand )
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:47 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Hartmut
> It was Diamond Beach on the Mid N/C. Indian Head, Kylies all magical spots
> to take the Syncro. Unfortunately I don't have a spare ignition switch.
> Dave
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> <hartis@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave , if it is not the ign switch or the connections at the starter,
> > from experience I can only suggeset to take the starter out and have it
> > overhauled or if you do it yourself, fit a new solenoid and check the
> > armature very carefully especially the brushes touch on (is it called
> > commutator Phill ?) check the solder of the copper bits with a 1in 10
> > magnifier for hairline cracks. I can show you 2 which look perfect and
> > that's why I re installed them , only to learn the hard way that both are
> > riddled with cracks in the solder.
> >
> > Diamond Beach ? the one at the Mid North Coast ? You could have visited.
> >
> > Hatmut
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:31 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping ground,
> > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking sounds
> > around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily. I think
> this
> > points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to replace/
> > recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter with a
> > shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring on the
> > starter motor I should check.
> > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss what I
> > believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any tips
> > Cheers Dave
> >
>
35
Give Steve Muller a call at Kombi Rescue.



> David <davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Hartmut,
> Sorry about my bad spelling. Yes we decided to head home yesterday to
> Coffs. Where do you live? We will definitely be heading down to Crowdy
> Bay NP again, matbe Easter. Do you know where I can buy a Vanagon
> Syndrome cable from? Many thanks for the offer to help out.
> Dave
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave are you gone home ? I do have a switch (you should have a spare
> too)
> > AND I do have a Vanagon Syndrome cable for you to test or borrow
> until you
> > can find one. At the time it helped Francesca.
> >
> > Hartmut ( with a "r" it's what my ASUS l/top doesn't like to activate
> ,
> > wouldn't recommend that brand )
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:47 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Hartmut
> > It was Diamond Beach on the Mid N/C. Indian Head, Kylies all magical
> spots
> > to take the Syncro. Unfortunately I don't have a spare ignition
> switch.
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> > <hartis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave , if it is not the ign switch or the connections at the
> starter,
> > > from experience I can only suggeset to take the starter out and have
> it
> > > overhauled or if you do it yourself, fit a new solenoid and check
> the
> > > armature very carefully especially the brushes touch on (is it
> called
> > > commutator Phill ?) check the solder of the copper bits with a 1in
> 10
> > > magnifier for hairline cracks. I can show you 2 which look perfect
> and
> > > that's why I re installed them , only to learn the hard way that
> both are
> > > riddled with cracks in the solder.
> > >
> > > Diamond Beach ? the one at the Mid North Coast ? You could have
> visited.
> > >
> > > Hatmut
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David
> > > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:31 AM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping
> ground,
> > > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking
> sounds
> > > around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily. I
> think
> > this
> > > points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to replace/
> > > recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter with a
> > > shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring on
> the
> > > starter motor I should check.
> > > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss
> what I
> > > believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any
> tips
> > > Cheers Dave
> > >
> >
36

Dave,  when coming from North you x the Hastings River, turn left into Hastings River Drive Go 400m turn left into Oakes crescent to the end through the gate towards the shed   and that’s where we are hiding.

Cable, it’s like Phill has described it. It can fix itself. You could ask BenT to look out for one or watch eBay in the US in the meantime you can try mine if you like. I would need you postal. Up to you.

And don’t bother about my name, my fault, I have about 6 different ones, don’t care a hoot what I’m called. When I give my name over the phone, people say  Oh, Hardwood, What an unusual name !

I leave it at that........ Hartis, Hardee, Hatti, Hartmut, Hardwood or whatever

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 6:11 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 


Hi Hartmut,
Sorry about my bad spelling. Yes we decided to head home yesterday to Coffs. Where do you live? We will definitely be heading down to Crowdy Bay NP again, matbe Easter. Do you know where I can buy a Vanagon Syndrome cable from? Many thanks for the offer to help out.
Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Dave are you gone home ? I do have a switch (you should have a spare too)
> AND I do have a Vanagon Syndrome cable for you to test or borrow until you
> can find one. At the time it helped Francesca.
>
> Hartmut ( with a "r" it's what my ASUS l/top doesn't like to activate ,
> wouldn't recommend that brand )
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:47 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Hartmut
> It was Diamond Beach on the Mid N/C. Indian Head, Kylies all magical spots
> to take the Syncro. Unfortunately I don't have a spare ignition switch.
> Dave
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> <hartis@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave , if it is not the ign switch or the connections at the starter,
> > from experience I can only suggeset to take the starter out and have it
> > overhauled or if you do it yourself, fit a new solenoid and check the
> > armature very carefully especially the brushes touch on (is it called
> > commutator Phill ?) check the solder of the copper bits with a 1in 10
> > magnifier for hairline cracks. I can show you 2 which look perfect and
> > that's why I re installed them , only to learn the hard way that both are
> > riddled with cracks in the solder.
> >
> > Diamond Beach ? the one at the Mid North Coast ? You could have visited.
> >
> > Hatmut
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:31 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping ground,
> > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking sounds
> > around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily. I think
> this
> > points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to replace/
> > recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter with a
> > shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring on the
> > starter motor I should check.
> > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss what I
> > believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any tips
> > Cheers Dave
> >
>

37

Steve’s ph #  0400 356 057

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 6:23 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

Give Steve Muller a call at Kombi Rescue.

> David <davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Hartmut,
> Sorry about my bad spelling. Yes we decided to head home yesterday to
> Coffs. Where do you live? We will definitely be heading down to Crowdy
> Bay NP again, matbe Easter. Do you know where I can buy a Vanagon
> Syndrome cable from? Many thanks for the offer to help out.
> Dave
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave are you gone home ? I do have a switch (you should have a spare
> too)
> > AND I do have a Vanagon Syndrome cable for you to test or borrow
> until you
> > can find one. At the time it helped Francesca.
> >
> > Hartmut ( with a "r" it's what my ASUS l/top doesn't like to activate
> ,
> > wouldn't recommend that brand )
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
> > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:47 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Hartmut
> > It was Diamond Beach on the Mid N/C. Indian Head, Kylies all magical
> spots
> > to take the Syncro. Unfortunately I don't have a spare ignition
> switch.
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> > <hartis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave , if it is not the ign switch or the connections at the
> starter,
> > > from experience I can only suggeset to take the starter out and have
> it
> > > overhauled or if you do it yourself, fit a new solenoid and check
> the
> > > armature very carefully especially the brushes touch on (is it
> called
> > > commutator Phill ?) check the solder of the copper bits with a 1in
> 10
> > > magnifier for hairline cracks. I can show you 2 which look perfect
> and
> > > that's why I re installed them , only to learn the hard way that
> both are
> > > riddled with cracks in the solder.
> > >
> > > Diamond Beach ? the one at the Mid North Coast ? You could have
> visited.
> > >
> > > Hatmut
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of David
> > > Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 9:31 AM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Starter Motor Faulty
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > Went for a great drive to Diamond Beach, great beach, camping
> ground,
> > > nature, etc. On leaving engine wont start. Battery good, clicking
> sounds
> > > around motor when ignition turned on. Push jump started easily. I
> think
> > this
> > > points to faulty stater motor or solonoid. Anyone had to replace/
> > > recondition their Syncro stater motor? I tried taping starter with a
> > > shifter, checked all wiring however not sure if there is wiring on
> the
> > > starter motor I should check.
> > > Also unable to stop motor on way home and motor developed a miss
> what I
> > > believe is known as Vanagon Syndrome. I still love my Syncro. Any
> tips
> > > Cheers Dave
> > >
> >

38

How about Hard Nut?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 15 January 2012 19:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

And don’t bother about my name, my fault, I have about 6 different ones, don’t care a hoot what I’m called. When I give my name over the phone, people say  Oh, Hardwood, What an unusual name !

_._,___

39

Xzellent ! Let’s write it Hardnut, thanks Les.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 8:03 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

 

 

How about Hard Nut?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 15 January 2012 19:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

And don’t bother about my name, my fault, I have about 6 different ones, don’t care a hoot what I’m called. When I give my name over the phone, people say  Oh, Hardwood, What an unusual name !

_._,___

40

Only kidding!  I have always used your full name.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 15 January 2012 20:06
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Starter Motor Faulty

Xzellent ! Let’s write it Hardnut, thanks Les.