suspension upgrades

21
Thanx Skot,do you know the rolling diameter of you wheels?
I didnt know about your raised suspension,better have a better look next time.(what weekend is old bar?)
Like BenT suggested I think the width of your tyres would have something to do with your scrubbing.
Since I do most of my off-roading on sand,I prefer a slightly narrower tyre,but I was hoping to go up to a 75 series tyre next time.
Still would like to get a little higher though,may have to BenCh test some of those front spacers.(very clever BenT,for someone who lives on 2 hours sleep!)
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> As you know, my suspension was raised about 10 years ago by Proven
> Products in Sydney West. But I'm not sure if they are still around. They
> did coil over shocks on the front with an adjustable spring base.
>
> The rears are re-sent original springs and have lasted well on what has
> been a similar set up to yours interior-wise - ie just a rear bed seat
> and a slightly heavier 6 cyl suby donk. I have 235 x 75 x 15 inch wheels
> and they only minor rub on the plastic flare on the drivers side on
> almost full lock turning right. Nothing else rubs but everything is close.
>
> I think if you went bigger springs and wanted bigger tyres you would
> need to cut the guards.
>
> Your existing tyres scrub the same as mine I think and in the same
> single spot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Skot
>
> On 25/07/2011 6:23 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am
> > looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > is one.
> > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question
> > without raising the suspension.
> > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large
> > tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > Thanks
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>, "m.mullet"
> > <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when
> > not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up
> > with some extenders let me know.
> > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably
> > stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > get more clearance.
> > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
> >
>
22
Ben, have a play with this tyre calculator.
Greg E

From: Ben <bencroft96@yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Thanx Skot,do you know the rolling diameter of you wheels?
I didnt know about your raised suspension,better have a better look next time.(what weekend is old bar?)
Like BenT suggested I think the width of your tyres would have something to do with your scrubbing.
Since I do most of my off-roading on sand,I prefer a slightly narrower tyre,but I was hoping to go up to a 75 series tyre next time.
Still would like to get a little higher though,may have to BenCh test some of those front spacers.(very clever BenT,for someone who lives on 2 hours sleep!)
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> As you know, my suspension was raised about 10 years ago by Proven
> Products in Sydney West. But I'm not sure if they are still around. They
> did coil over shocks on the front with an adjustable spring base.
>
> The rears are re-sent original springs and have lasted well on what has
> been a similar set up to yours interior-wise - ie just a rear bed seat
> and a slightly heavier 6 cyl suby donk. I have 235 x 75 x 15 inch wheels
> and they only minor rub on the plastic flare on the drivers side on
> almost full lock turning right. Nothing else rubs but everything is close.
>
> I think if you went bigger springs and wanted bigger tyres you would
> need to cut the guards.
>
> Your existing tyres scrub the same as mine I think and in the same
> single spot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Skot
>
> On 25/07/2011 6:23 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am
> > looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > is one.
> > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question
> > without raising the suspension.
> > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large
> > tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > Thanks
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>, "m.mullet"
> > <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when
> > not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up
> > with some extenders let me know.
> > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably
> > stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > get more clearance.
> > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
> >
>



23
Gday Greg(and BenT),thanks for the correction,should get some of my old tech books out one day,(if time ever permits).
Greg thanks for the tips,seems like raising the suspension is not worth the headaches.
Are you running the standard springs?
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Ben, I am running 225/70 16. I would have gone 215/70 16 if I had known how close they would be to the front fender. I have increased my positive castor above the factory specs to stop the tyre rubbing on the rhf mud spat. This did not cause any drivability issues. If you have not already, I would recommend replacing castor bushes before starting the whole measuring process. Tyre size is more about guard clearance than ride height on the front of a t3. I have also fitted the go westy A arm spacer to keep the camber right. This causes the need for a slightly bigger full compression stop. Shock extenders will cause a pandoras box of other issues. They will increase the amount of sag or rebound travel you have, which is great, only if your arm geometry and cv joint can cope with the increased angle. They may or may not reduce the compression travel depending on the type used. What ever mod you do a good acid test is to bolt the front end up minus
> the spring you can then fully extend and compress the suspension whilst turning the hub and operating the steering lock to lock. Try it first without the wheel than with. As far as the rear goes my 225/70's are as big as you can go with 14" trailing arms and the square profile of bfg all terrains. Just by fitting ome rear shocks you will have increased your rear suspension travel as far as standard cv's can go. Greg E
>
>
> From: Ben <bencroft96@...>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 6:23 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
>
>
> Â
>
> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> is one.
> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> Thanks
> BenC
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > get more clearance.
> > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
24
Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> is one.
> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> Thanks
> BenC
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > get more clearance.
> > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
25
Thanks, Ben. Actually 3 hours. It's 4:00am here now. Probably should turn in before my tyres really go flat.

You folks should just "cut out" all this nonsense and do what the factory did. They trimmed the trailing edge of all the arches and installed a urethane arch to cover up their sloppy metal cutting. ;-) It's not for everybody. Fortunately for me (Yurik & Mark on this forum), I have a Syncro 16".


BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:18 AM, "Ben" <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanx Skot,do you know the rolling diameter of you wheels?
> I didnt know about your raised suspension,better have a better look next time.(what weekend is old bar?)
> Like BenT suggested I think the width of your tyres would have something to do with your scrubbing.
> Since I do most of my off-roading on sand,I prefer a slightly narrower tyre,but I was hoping to go up to a 75 series tyre next time.
> Still would like to get a little higher though,may have to BenCh test some of those front spacers.(very clever BenT,for someone who lives on 2 hours sleep!)
> BenC
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> As you know, my suspension was raised about 10 years ago by Proven
>> Products in Sydney West. But I'm not sure if they are still around. They
>> did coil over shocks on the front with an adjustable spring base.
>>
>> The rears are re-sent original springs and have lasted well on what has
>> been a similar set up to yours interior-wise - ie just a rear bed seat
>> and a slightly heavier 6 cyl suby donk. I have 235 x 75 x 15 inch wheels
>> and they only minor rub on the plastic flare on the drivers side on
>> almost full lock turning right. Nothing else rubs but everything is close.
>>
>> I think if you went bigger springs and wanted bigger tyres you would
>> need to cut the guards.
>>
>> Your existing tyres scrub the same as mine I think and in the same
>> single spot.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Skot
>>
>> On 25/07/2011 6:23 PM, Ben wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am
>>> looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>>> is one.
>>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question
>>> without raising the suspension.
>>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large
>>> tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>>> Thanks
>>> BenC
>>>
>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>, "m.mullet"
>>> <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when
>>> not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up
>>> with some extenders let me know.
>>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably
>>> stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>>> get more clearance.
>>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Ben,

I just measured my tyre/ wheel set up and through the wheel centre of the front wheel (well they should all be the same but the light was better over the front wheel in my garage) I measured 695mm.

I am not sure how that compares to others but parking my syncro next to most  reveals that he looks like a basket ball player and towers over many.

My daughters have always needed some help getting in and my mother in law has no chance.

Cheers,

Skot

On 25/07/2011 8:18 PM, Ben wrote:
 

Thanx Skot,do you know the rolling diameter of you wheels?
I didnt know about your raised suspension,better have a better look next time.(what weekend is old bar?)
Like BenT suggested I think the width of your tyres would have something to do with your scrubbing.
Since I do most of my off-roading on sand,I prefer a slightly narrower tyre,but I was hoping to go up to a 75 series tyre next time.
Still would like to get a little higher though,may have to BenCh test some of those front spacers.(very clever BenT,for someone who lives on 2 hours sleep!)
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> As you know, my suspension was raised about 10 years ago by Proven
> Products in Sydney West. But I'm not sure if they are still around. They
> did coil over shocks on the front with an adjustable spring base.
>
> The rears are re-sent original springs and have lasted well on what has
> been a similar set up to yours interior-wise - ie just a rear bed seat
> and a slightly heavier 6 cyl suby donk. I have 235 x 75 x 15 inch wheels
> and they only minor rub on the plastic flare on the drivers side on
> almost full lock turning right. Nothing else rubs but everything is close.
>
> I think if you went bigger springs and wanted bigger tyres you would
> need to cut the guards.
>
> Your existing tyres scrub the same as mine I think and in the same
> single spot.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Skot
>
> On 25/07/2011 6:23 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am
> > looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > is one.
> > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question
> > without raising the suspension.
> > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large
> > tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > Thanks
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>, "m.mullet"
> > <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when
> > not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up
> > with some extenders let me know.
> > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably
> > stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > get more clearance.
> > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
> >
>


27
Ben, don't get me wrong I would definatly raise the old girl. I am just saying shock extenders are not needed. I am running 2wd springs which are too soft but the static hieght is perfect(51-52mm). My advise is this, 215/70 16 bf's, new castor bushes (and sleeves), a arm spacers and have some springs made for the front. The rear just make some spacers (two 12mm should be about right with a subi). Making the front springs correctly is the hard part. I will be doing this soon myself. I am going to take in the original spring as a guide. These are purported to be 75kg/cm in tension. If you tell the spring maker to increase the ride hieght by 5cms and tell them how much the van weighs they should be able to make it close to spot on. I will be also increasing the tension as I have a camper. You could go standard or slightly higher - say 85kg/cms. Greg E

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> Gday Greg(and BenT),thanks for the correction,should get some of my old tech books out one day,(if time ever permits).
> Greg thanks for the tips,seems like raising the suspension is not worth the headaches.
> Are you running the standard springs?
> BenC
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Ben, I am running 225/70 16. I would have gone 215/70 16 if I had known how close they would be to the front fender. I have increased my positive castor above the factory specs to stop the tyre rubbing on the rhf mud spat. This did not cause any drivability issues. If you have not already, I would recommend replacing castor bushes before starting the whole measuring process. Tyre size is more about guard clearance than ride height on the front of a t3. I have also fitted the go westy A arm spacer to keep the camber right. This causes the need for a slightly bigger full compression stop. Shock extenders will cause a pandoras box of other issues. They will increase the amount of sag or rebound travel you have, which is great, only if your arm geometry and cv joint can cope with the increased angle. They may or may not reduce the compression travel depending on the type used. What ever mod you do a good acid test is to bolt the front end up minus
> > the spring you can then fully extend and compress the suspension whilst turning the hub and operating the steering lock to lock. Try it first without the wheel than with. As far as the rear goes my 225/70's are as big as you can go with 14" trailing arms and the square profile of bfg all terrains. Just by fitting ome rear shocks you will have increased your rear suspension travel as far as standard cv's can go. Greg E
> >
> >
> > From: Ben <bencroft96@>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 6:23 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > is one.
> > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > Thanks
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > get more clearance.
> > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
>
28
Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.

When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.

Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)


Cheers,

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>
> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>> is one.
>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>> Thanks
>> BenC
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>> get more clearance.
>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
29
Ben's rims are et42 which will probably work in his favour as it is usually the outer edge that rubs. Greg E

From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.

When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.

Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)

Cheers,

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>
> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>> is one.
>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>> Thanks
>> BenC
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>> get more clearance.
>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


30
If Bens are ET42 it means that the tyres would be real close to the rear trailing arms. One option I've been looking at is to grind down the pinch weld & then rewelding the gap to create a bit more room. Just one more project on the "to do " list. Eddie.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Ben's rims are et42 which will probably work in his favour as it is usually the outer edge that rubs. Greg E
>
>
> From: BenT Syncro <syncro@...>
> To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
>
>
> Â
>
> Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.
>
> When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.
>
> Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> >> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> >> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> >> is one.
> >> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> >> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> >> Thanks
> >> BenC
> >>
> >> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ben,
> >>>
> >>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> >>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> >>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> >>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> >>> get more clearance.
> >>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
31
Thankyou Greg now THAT was the inspiration that Ive been looking for!I do want to do this!I have been working hard and saving my money(stashing it).I will go up to 70 series when I next need tyres,my Yokis havent worn much in two years.
I will order new castor bushes tommorrow,are you using standard or poly?
Do you know of a spring manufacturer?
How soon are you doing this?,this year?
A arm spacers??are you talking about ball joint spacers?
Are you thinking about Porsche CVs?
Thanks heaps Greg.
BenC


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Ben, don't get me wrong I would definatly raise the old girl. I am just saying shock extenders are not needed. I am running 2wd springs which are too soft but the static hieght is perfect(51-52mm). My advise is this, 215/70 16 bf's, new castor bushes (and sleeves), a arm spacers and have some springs made for the front. The rear just make some spacers (two 12mm should be about right with a subi). Making the front springs correctly is the hard part. I will be doing this soon myself. I am going to take in the original spring as a guide. These are purported to be 75kg/cm in tension. If you tell the spring maker to increase the ride hieght by 5cms and tell them how much the van weighs they should be able to make it close to spot on. I will be also increasing the tension as I have a camper. You could go standard or slightly higher - say 85kg/cms. Greg E
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Gday Greg(and BenT),thanks for the correction,should get some of my old tech books out one day,(if time ever permits).
> > Greg thanks for the tips,seems like raising the suspension is not worth the headaches.
> > Are you running the standard springs?
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Ben, I am running 225/70 16. I would have gone 215/70 16 if I had known how close they would be to the front fender. I have increased my positive castor above the factory specs to stop the tyre rubbing on the rhf mud spat. This did not cause any drivability issues. If you have not already, I would recommend replacing castor bushes before starting the whole measuring process. Tyre size is more about guard clearance than ride height on the front of a t3. I have also fitted the go westy A arm spacer to keep the camber right. This causes the need for a slightly bigger full compression stop. Shock extenders will cause a pandoras box of other issues. They will increase the amount of sag or rebound travel you have, which is great, only if your arm geometry and cv joint can cope with the increased angle. They may or may not reduce the compression travel depending on the type used. What ever mod you do a good acid test is to bolt the front end up minus
> > > the spring you can then fully extend and compress the suspension whilst turning the hub and operating the steering lock to lock. Try it first without the wheel than with. As far as the rear goes my 225/70's are as big as you can go with 14" trailing arms and the square profile of bfg all terrains. Just by fitting ome rear shocks you will have increased your rear suspension travel as far as standard cv's can go. Greg E
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ben <bencroft96@>
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 6:23 PM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > > is one.
> > > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> > > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > > Thanks
> > > BenC
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > > get more clearance.
> > > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
32
Thanks Eddie,good points there and some big tyres you have there also.
What rims do you use?
My rears do run close,but still with sufficient clearance.
My rims are ET 42.(cant argue with that,hey Greg).
Very interesting.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" <bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > is one.
> > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > Thanks
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ben,
> > >
> > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > get more clearance.
> > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
>
33
For everyones information, it's a myth my van is freshly polished. If all you lot want it polished, well come on down! :-))

Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:19:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.

When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.

Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)

Cheers,

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>
> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>> is one.
>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>> Thanks
>> BenC
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>> get more clearance.
>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

34
Ken,

No use trying to deny it - we all know you have a fetish for the wash and polish of the syncro - Graham revealed this to me when he dropped around to your place after doing the same to his very shiny syncro. Apparently your shine easily out did his.

Plus the detail of the tyre black and armour-all shiny dash was amazing.

Skot


On 25/07/2011 10:21 PM, Ken Garratt wrote:

For everyones information, it's a myth my van is freshly polished. If all you lot want it polished, well come on down! :-))

Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:19:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.

When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.

Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)

Cheers,

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>
> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>> is one.
>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>> Thanks
>> BenC
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>> get more clearance.
>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


35
Ben, standard rubber OE castor bushes(jk) and stainless sleeves(go w).
Spacer goes between top control arm and ball joint(go w).
Porsche cv's are too expensive for my wallet. If you stay under 52cm hub to fender standards are o.k.
Spring man - I am in Melbourne, there must be a good one in Sydney. Anyone?
And of course a four wheel alignment when all is done.
Eddie has a good point how much room do you have with the 65's on the rear?
At worst longer studs and a 5-8mm spacer or differant rims.
Greg E

From: Ben <bencroft96@yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Thankyou Greg now THAT was the inspiration that Ive been looking for!I do want to do this!I have been working hard and saving my money(stashing it).I will go up to 70 series when I next need tyres,my Yokis havent worn much in two years.
I will order new castor bushes tommorrow,are you using standard or poly?
Do you know of a spring manufacturer?
How soon are you doing this?,this year?
A arm spacers??are you talking about ball joint spacers?
Are you thinking about Porsche CVs?
Thanks heaps Greg.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Ben, don't get me wrong I would definatly raise the old girl. I am just saying shock extenders are not needed. I am running 2wd springs which are too soft but the static hieght is perfect(51-52mm). My advise is this, 215/70 16 bf's, new castor bushes (and sleeves), a arm spacers and have some springs made for the front. The rear just make some spacers (two 12mm should be about right with a subi). Making the front springs correctly is the hard part. I will be doing this soon myself. I am going to take in the original spring as a guide. These are purported to be 75kg/cm in tension. If you tell the spring maker to increase the ride hieght by 5cms and tell them how much the van weighs they should be able to make it close to spot on. I will be also increasing the tension as I have a camper. You could go standard or slightly higher - say 85kg/cms. Greg E
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Gday Greg(and BenT),thanks for the correction,should get some of my old tech books out one day,(if time ever permits).
> > Greg thanks for the tips,seems like raising the suspension is not worth the headaches.
> > Are you running the standard springs?
> > BenC
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Ben, I am running 225/70 16. I would have gone 215/70 16 if I had known how close they would be to the front fender. I have increased my positive castor above the factory specs to stop the tyre rubbing on the rhf mud spat. This did not cause any drivability issues. If you have not already, I would recommend replacing castor bushes before starting the whole measuring process. Tyre size is more about guard clearance than ride height on the front of a t3. I have also fitted the go westy A arm spacer to keep the camber right. This causes the need for a slightly bigger full compression stop. Shock extenders will cause a pandoras box of other issues. They will increase the amount of sag or rebound travel you have, which is great, only if your arm geometry and cv joint can cope with the increased angle. They may or may not reduce the compression travel depending on the type used. What ever mod you do a good acid test is to bolt the front end up minus
> > > the spring you can then fully extend and compress the suspension whilst turning the hub and operating the steering lock to lock. Try it first without the wheel than with. As far as the rear goes my 225/70's are as big as you can go with 14" trailing arms and the square profile of bfg all terrains. Just by fitting ome rear shocks you will have increased your rear suspension travel as far as standard cv's can go. Greg E
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ben <bencroft96@>
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 6:23 PM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > > is one.
> > > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> > > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > > Thanks
> > > BenC
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ben,
> > > >
> > > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > > get more clearance.
> > > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



36
Greg,thanks for all of that.
I will measure that clearance next I am under the bus.
I dont run spacers,could if needed.
There is a few spring manufacturers up here,will sus them out.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Ben, standard rubber OEÂ castor bushes(jk) and stainless sleeves(go w).
> Spacer goes between top control arm and ball joint(go w).
> Porsche cv's are too expensive for my wallet. If you stay under 52cm hub to fender standards are o.k.
> Spring man - I am in Melbourne, there must be a good one in Sydney. Anyone?
> And of course a four wheel alignment when all is done.
> Eddie has a good point how much room do you have with the 65's on the rear?
> At worst longer studs and a 5-8mm spacer or differant rims.
> Greg E
>
> From: Ben <bencroft96@...>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 9:46 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
>
>
> Â
>
> Thankyou Greg now THAT was the inspiration that Ive been looking for!I do want to do this!I have been working hard and saving my money(stashing it).I will go up to 70 series when I next need tyres,my Yokis havent worn much in two years.
> I will order new castor bushes tommorrow,are you using standard or poly?
> Do you know of a spring manufacturer?
> How soon are you doing this?,this year?
> A arm spacers??are you talking about ball joint spacers?
> Are you thinking about Porsche CVs?
> Thanks heaps Greg.
> BenC
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben, don't get me wrong I would definatly raise the old girl. I am just saying shock extenders are not needed. I am running 2wd springs which are too soft but the static hieght is perfect(51-52mm). My advise is this, 215/70 16 bf's, new castor bushes (and sleeves), a arm spacers and have some springs made for the front. The rear just make some spacers (two 12mm should be about right with a subi). Making the front springs correctly is the hard part. I will be doing this soon myself. I am going to take in the original spring as a guide. These are purported to be 75kg/cm in tension. If you tell the spring maker to increase the ride hieght by 5cms and tell them how much the van weighs they should be able to make it close to spot on. I will be also increasing the tension as I have a camper. You could go standard or slightly higher - say 85kg/cms. Greg E
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gday Greg(and BenT),thanks for the correction,should get some of my old tech books out one day,(if time ever permits).
> > > Greg thanks for the tips,seems like raising the suspension is not worth the headaches.
> > > Are you running the standard springs?
> > > BenC
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Ben, I am running 225/70 16. I would have gone 215/70 16 if I had known how close they would be to the front fender. I have increased my positive castor above the factory specs to stop the tyre rubbing on the rhf mud spat. This did not cause any drivability issues. If you have not already, I would recommend replacing castor bushes before starting the whole measuring process. Tyre size is more about guard clearance than ride height on the front of a t3. I have also fitted the go westy A arm spacer to keep the camber right. This causes the need for a slightly bigger full compression stop. Shock extenders will cause a pandoras box of other issues. They will increase the amount of sag or rebound travel you have, which is great, only if your arm geometry and cv joint can cope with the increased angle. They may or may not reduce the compression travel depending on the type used. What ever mod you do a good acid test is to bolt
> the front end up minus
> > > > the spring you can then fully extend and compress the suspension whilst turning the hub and operating the steering lock to lock. Try it first without the wheel than with. As far as the rear goes my 225/70's are as big as you can go with 14" trailing arms and the square profile of bfg all terrains. Just by fitting ome rear shocks you will have increased your rear suspension travel as far as standard cv's can go. Greg E
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Ben <bencroft96@>
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 6:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > >
> > > > Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
> > > > Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
> > > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
> > > > is one.
> > > > I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
> > > > I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > BenC
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Ben,
> > > > >
> > > > > I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
> > > > > I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
> > > > > Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
> > > > > Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
> > > > > get more clearance.
> > > > > Only downside there is increased gearing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Skot,
No use trying to deny it, off white is easily the best colour on a syncro, so yeah, even a blind man knows mine looks polished, even sans vernis!
Eat your heart guys! :-)
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: spbconsulting@bigpond.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:32:58 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Ken,

No use trying to deny it - we all know you have a fetish for the wash and polish of the syncro - Graham revealed this to me when he dropped around to your place after doing the same to his very shiny syncro. Apparently your shine easily out did his.

Plus the detail of the tyre black and armour-all shiny dash was amazing.

Skot


On 25/07/2011 10:21 PM, Ken Garratt wrote:
 

For everyones information, it's a myth my van is freshly polished. If all you lot want it polished, well come on down! :-))

Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:19:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: suspension upgrades

 
Good point, Eddie. I assume he was at the stock ET30 & 6" wide. Lots of Syncros in the US run 235/70/15. I do not recall seeing anyone running 235/70/16. Perhaps their decision might be influenced by the greater availability of the 15" version. They are common size here for Jeeps.

When I took delivery of my 16" Doka, it had 205/80/16 tyres. I use 235/55/17 for most of the year as the ute spends most it's time on pavement then.

Taking into consideration that BenC is running a more powerful Subie motor and probably a 5.43(?) C&P/R&P, a taller tyre is in order. I run a 6.17 C&P backed by an AAZ turbodiesel. The engine is screaming at highway speeds. Tempting to install 22" 'bling' wheels. It just does not have the right look. Perhaps it could work if I spent more time polishing my rig like Ken.;-)

Cheers,

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:53 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

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> Hi Ben I am running 235 70 16's and have no issues with rubbing any where with just standard suspension. I did , however cut back the rear part of the front fender behind the little plastic thing. One thing that could influence the clearence of tyres is the offset of your wheels. I reckon the more they stick out, the more likely they are to rub on fenders when the fronts are at full lock.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,thanks for your report.My bus is not a camper,so right now am looking at other options to get a bit more height.
>> Re shock extenders,I found a few manufactuers by google and having a read
>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/shocks-and-struts/volkswagen-vanagon/c12548d14387j1s21.jcwx
>> is one.
>> I have 16 inch rims so I think 75 series tyres are out of the question without raising the suspension.
>> I would like to hear from anyone running 16 inch rims with large tyres,to know if there is any scrubbing issues.
>> Thanks
>> BenC
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> I run GW springs and OME shocks on a converted and fairly light camper.
>>> I don't mind the ride at all, although I may drop tyre pressure when not fully loaded. Front shocks top out fairly easily. If you come up with some extenders let me know.
>>> Otherwise you may find you eat a few more cv's, especially the rear.
>>> Overall not a bad setup. If I had my time again I would probably stay with standard suspension and run 225/175/15 tyres as a cheaper way to
>>> get more clearance.
>>> Only downside there is increased gearing.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
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Yep that was a typo. Not that I pay that much attention to details these days.
I think the thing to remember with all this debate is that the Germans who engineered this bus were eminently qualified in that systematic German way. It was designed to do what it was designed to do.
Stretch it outside those boundaries and you will pay for it.
I consider the investment justified.

Unlike my German ex wife.

Mark
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Ken,

You've just told everyone that there is no Santie Claus.;-(


BenT

On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> For everyones information, it's a myth my van is freshly polished. If all you lot want it polished, well come on down! :-))
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> Ken
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Mark,

Perhaps the issue was you stretched her beyond her capabilities. You can only pay for so much engineering before you reach a point where trading her in for a better model with features you prefer might be more desireable. You might want to consider if she is really made in Germany or just made of German parts and assembled elsewhere.;-)


BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:38 AM, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Yep that was a typo. Not that I pay that much attention to details these days.
> I think the thing to remember with all this debate is that the Germans who engineered this bus were eminently qualified in that systematic German way. It was designed to do what it was designed to do.
> Stretch it outside those boundaries and you will pay for it.
> I consider the investment justified.
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> Unlike my German ex wife.
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> Mark
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