Tacho Change Over

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Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are important here.
I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster. Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the block. Same problem.
Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up looked really good.
A frustrated Peter from Port
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First of all I wish that everyone here would forget about Vanagon syndrome. It only happens on long trips. It's like the little boy that cried wolf.

Peter,

I would guess that you have a connection problem with the plugs or the printed circuit. The tacho connection could be shorting out which would make the engine stop. Just remove the plugs and have a look that everything is going on straight and nothing looks out of place.

My mother blamed Vanagon syndrome for fading the curtains.



> portmacpeter <peter@coeconsult.com.au> wrote:
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> Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to this
> problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are important
> here.
> I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
> weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
> Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
> speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
> Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new
> speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
> digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
> for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
> This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
> off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then
> starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same
> sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car
> starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car
> starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed
> to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the
> block. Same problem.
> Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
> Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up
> looked really good.
> A frustrated Peter from Port
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Thanks Phill. Will check it all out in the morning.
By the way, could Vanagon Syndrome be behind the Qantas dispute?
Peter

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
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> First of all I wish that everyone here would forget about Vanagon syndrome. It only happens on long trips. It's like the little boy that cried wolf.
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> I would guess that you have a connection problem with the plugs or the printed circuit. The tacho connection could be shorting out which would make the engine stop. Just remove the plugs and have a look that everything is going on straight and nothing looks out of place.
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> My mother blamed Vanagon syndrome for fading the curtains.
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No, that’s probably daylight saving.   It is well known (in Queensland ) that daylight saving confuses the chooks and the cows, with the result that the cows stop laying and the chooks stop giving milk.   It has something to so with the chooks and the cows not being smart enough to reset their digital clocks.   Phill’s mother might blame the fading of her curtains on the Vanagon Syndrome but all Queenslanders know that it is the deadly daylight saving. 

I have a cutting somewhere that came out of Queensland at the introduction of daylight saving; the thrust of the story was that daylight saving was a federal government plot  designed to expose elderly people to more sunlight to kill them off earlier, thus saving the federal government making pension payments.

Les

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of portmacpeter
Sent: 31 October 2011 21:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tacho Change Over

 

 

Thanks Phill. Will check it all out in the morning.
By the way, could Vanagon Syndrome be behind the Qantas dispute?
Peter

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:

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> First of all I wish that everyone here would forget about Vanagon
syndrome. It only happens on long trips. It's like the little boy that cried wolf.
>
> Peter,
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> I would guess that you have a connection problem with the plugs or the
printed circuit. The tacho connection could be shorting out which would make the engine stop. Just remove the plugs and have a look that everything is going on straight and nothing looks out of place.
>
> My mother blamed Vanagon syndrome for fading the curtains.
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Peter,

It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed) instrument clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue with the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same way as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and instrument enclosures are not uncommon.

So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks, splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these, just to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be having a problem in this area.

Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back of the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly in situ.

Cheers.

Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 
Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are important here.
I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster. Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the block. Same problem.
Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up looked really good.
A frustrated Peter from Port


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Hi Peter,
I'd endorse what Ken says on the printed circuit and connections.
The original owner of my syncro changed the clock to a brand new OEM VDO Tacho which involved a new  printed circuit plus petrol and temperature gauges all of which are different from the non-tacho model. I presume you got all these with your change over?.(all up there were receipts for something like $600 from memory!!! but I agree its a great addition.
If the prihted circuit is the problem and you can't fix it There is a Melbourne auto electric company Kofoed and Patterson 173-175 Pascoe Vale Rd Moonee Ponds 3039 tel (03) 9375 2084 who my mechanic tells me has considerable experience in fixing faulty T3 printed circuits.Shouldn't be costly to post to them suitably protected.
 
I parked my van somewhere the other day and couldn't find it when I got back. Blamed vanagone syndrome until I realised I was having a senior moment.
 
Hope you can get it sorted as they used to say on "the Bill"
 
Roger

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> By the way, could Vanagon Syndrome be behind the Qantas dispute?
> Peter
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That sounds like an Irish joke.
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DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!

It may make it impossible to repair.

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> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Peter,
> It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed) instrument
> clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
> defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or
> intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue with
> the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same way
> as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and
> instrument enclosures are not uncommon.
> So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
> splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
> foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these, just
> to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
> having a problem in this area.
> Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back of
> the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly in
> situ.
> Cheers.
> Ken
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
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> this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are
> important here.
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> I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
> weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
> Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
> speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
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> Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new
> speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
> digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
> for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
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> This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
> off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then
> starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same
> sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car
> starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car
> starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed
> to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the
> block. Same problem.
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> Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
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> Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up
> looked really good.
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Re: "DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!" 

........   except as I said, AFTER close eyeballing the foil for faults, CRC226 on the connectors!  I did not suggest WD40!

Those interested, google the specs/uses on CRC226.

RE: "It may ....."

Yeah and it may make it work.

Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:32:07 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 
DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!

It may make it impossible to repair.

Clean anything with a soft cloth and maybe some metho.

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Peter,
> It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed) instrument
> clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
> defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or
> intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue with
> the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same way
> as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and
> instrument enclosures are not uncommon.
> So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
> splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
> foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these, just
> to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
> having a problem in this area.
> Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back of
> the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly in
> situ.
> Cheers.
> Ken
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
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> Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to
> this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are
> important here.
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> I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
> weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
> Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
> speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
>
> Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new
> speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
> digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
> for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
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> This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
> off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then
> starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same
> sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car
> starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car
> starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed
> to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the
> block. Same problem.
>
> Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
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> Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up
> looked really good.
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> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Re: "DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!"
> ........ except as I said, AFTER close eyeballing the foil for faults,
> CRC226 on the connectors! I did not suggest WD40!
> Those interested, google the specs/uses on CRC226.
> RE: "It may ....."
> Yeah and it may make it work.
> Ken
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> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:32:07 +1100
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> > clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
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> > intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue
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> way
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> > So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
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> > splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
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> > foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these,
> just
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> > to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
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> > having a problem in this area.
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> > the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly
> in
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> > Cheers.
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> > Ken
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> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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> > I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
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> > weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
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> > Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
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> > speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
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> > Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and
> new
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> > digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
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> > for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
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In case it helps the troubleshooting - I've attached a file showing the pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and the differences.

On 01/11/2011 09:10, Ken Garratt wrote:

Re: "DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!"

........ except as I said, AFTER close eyeballing the foil for faults, CRC226 on the connectors! I did not suggest WD40!

Those interested, google the specs/uses on CRC226.

RE: "It may ....."

Yeah and it may make it work.

Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:32:07 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!

It may make it impossible to repair.

Clean anything with a soft cloth and maybe some metho.

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Peter,
> It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed) instrument
> clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
> defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or
> intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue with
> the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same way
> as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and
> instrument enclosures are not uncommon.
> So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
> splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
> foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these, just
> to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
> having a problem in this area.
> Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back of
> the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly in
> situ.
> Cheers.
> Ken
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
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> Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to
> this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are
> important here.
>
> I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
> weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
> Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
> speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
>
> Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and new
> speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
> digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
> for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
>
> This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
> off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then
> starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies. Same
> sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes. Car
> starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem. Car
> starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start. Managed
> to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the
> block. Same problem.
>
> Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
>
> Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set up
> looked really good.
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> A frustrated Peter from Port
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There is no name attached to this but this is from Mike Plompen (Busman) in Belgium .

Mike,

Thanks for the table; this is most useful.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:31
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 

In case it helps the troubleshooting  - I've attached a file showing the pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and the differences.

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Sorry Les it is not the Belgian Syncro man - it's Hans from Adelaide,
I have not been too active on here and hence forgot that I should put my name at the end

Cheers

Hans

On 01/11/2011 10:13, Les Harris wrote:
 

There is no name attached to this but this is from Mike Plompen (Busman) in Belgium .

Mike,

Thanks for the table; this is most useful.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:31
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 

In case it helps the troubleshooting  - I've attached a file showing the pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and the differences.

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Sorry Hans.   I will revise my mental records!

This highlights the importance of putting a name to posts.   That said, what other little treasures are you sitting on?   This sort of information is very valuable to mutual support groups like ours.  

Whilst we have Bentleys, the information it contains can be exceptionally hard to find, and much more so because the only index is just broad headings.   Finding detail means combing through an extremely thick publication.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:47
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over 

Sorry Les it is not the Belgian Syncro man - it's Hans from Adelaide ,
I have not been too active on here and hence forgot that I should put my name at the end

Cheers

Hans

On 01/11/2011 10:13, Les Harris wrote:

 

There is no name attached to this but this is from Mike Plompen (Busman) in Belgium .

Mike,

Thanks for the table; this is most useful.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:31
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 

In case it helps the troubleshooting  - I've attached a file showing the pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and the differences.

,___

 

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I was in BCF the other day and they were playing this video.    http://www.rapid-fix.com/Rapid-Fix.com/HOME.html

It may be one to add too the emergency tool kit IF it actually works.

Bruce
CQ


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the Bentley book is not bad when you get the hang of it.
The index in the front is a little weird.
I go to the table of contents..
see what the engine section is, for example,
and on the first page of that is another list of contents for that chapter..
and then that sends you to the right page number ...then you thumb through that section,
and not the whole book.
 
some things are in weird places.
glow plugs for diesels are in the Ignition section.
I think the instructions for removing the Ignition Switch ..
is in 'Steering.'
  It never hurts to write down the page number after you've found it, for something like removal of Ignition Switch in the front of the book, so you can find it easily next time.
 
eventually you get pretty used to it and it's not so tedious finding something in it.
Scott
Oregon, USA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 

Sorry Hans.   I will revise my mental records!

This highlights the importance of putting a name to posts.   That said, what other little treasures are you sitting on?   This sort of information is very valuable to mutual support groups like ours.  

Whilst we have Bentleys, the information it contains can be exceptionally hard to find, and much more so because the only index is just broad headings.   Finding detail means combing through an extremely thick publication.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:47
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over 

Sorry Les it is not the Belgian Syncro man - it's Hans from Adelaide ,
I have not been too active on here and hence forgot that I should put my name at the end

Cheers

Hans

On 01/11/2011 10:13, Les Harris wrote:

 

There is no name attached to this but this is from Mike Plompen (Busman) in Belgium .

Mike,

Thanks for the table; this is most useful.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au
Sent: 01 November 2011 10:31
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 

In case it helps the troubleshooting  - I've attached a file showing the pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and the differences.

,___

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It's good stuff. I repaired my Vanagon syndrome with it.



> Alison & Bruce Black <royalb@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> I was in BCF the other day and they were playing this video.
> http://www.rapid-fix.com/Rapid-Fix.com/HOME.html
>
> It may be one to add too the emergency tool kit IF it actually works.
>
> Bruce
> CQ
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Thanks that's a good chart.

Peter,

Pay attention to pin 8 & 9. (Black and Green)

Sometimes the pins can get bent. The pins should all look the same.

Phill





> busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au <busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> In case it helps the troubleshooting - I've attached a file showing the
>
> pin assignment for the cluster connector for all T3's (1979 to 1992) and
>
> the differences.
>
> On 01/11/2011 09:10, Ken Garratt wrote:
> >
> > Re: "DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!"
> >
> > ........ except as I said, AFTER close eyeballing the foil for
> > faults, CRC226 on the connectors! I did not suggest WD40!
> >
> > Those interested, google the specs/uses on CRC226.
> >
> > RE: "It may ....."
> >
> > Yeah and it may make it work.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:32:07 +1100
> > Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
> >
> > DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!
> >
> > It may make it impossible to repair.
> >
> > Clean anything with a soft cloth and maybe some metho.
> >
> > > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com <mailto:unclekenz%40hotmail.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > > It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed)
> > instrument
> > > clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
> > > defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or
> > > intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue
> with
> > > the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same
>
> > way
> > > as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and
> > > instrument enclosures are not uncommon.
> > > So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
> > > splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
> > > foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these,
> > just
> > > to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
> > > having a problem in this area.
> > > Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back
> of
> > > the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it
> > properly in
> > > situ.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ken
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: peter@coeconsult.com.au <mailto:peter%40coeconsult.com.au>
> > > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match to
> > > this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are
> > > important here.
> > >
> > > I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
> > > weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my
> cluster.
> > > Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a
> proper
> > > speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
> > >
> > > Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and
> new
> > > speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
> > > digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town
> parked
> > > for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
> > >
> > > This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
> > > off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops,
> then
> > > starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies.
> Same
> > > sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes.
> Car
> > > starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem.
> Car
> > > starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start.
> Managed
> > > to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round
> the
> > > block. Same problem.
> > >
> > > Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went
> away.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new
> > set up
> > > looked really good.
> > >
> > > A frustrated Peter from Port
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Bruce,

Much the same as QBond ...

Horses for courses. Depends what you're repairing and JB Weld may be a better alternative at times.

Happy fixing!

Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: royalb@aapt.net.au
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:04:08 +1000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] FIX

 
I was in BCF the other day and they were playing this video.    http://www.rapid-fix.com/Rapid-Fix.com/HOME.html

It may be one to add too the emergency tool kit IF it actually works.

Bruce
CQ



20
Read the label on the can.

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:59:15 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over

 
Advertising never lies.

What would it fix?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Re: "DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!"
> ........ except as I said, AFTER close eyeballing the foil for faults,
> CRC226 on the connectors! I did not suggest WD40!
> Those interested, google the specs/uses on CRC226.
> RE: "It may ....."
> Yeah and it may make it work.
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:32:07 +1100
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
>
>
>
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> DO NOT SPRAY ANYTHING ON IT!
>
>
>
> It may make it impossible to repair.
>
>
>
> Clean anything with a soft cloth and maybe some metho.
>
>
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Peter,
>
> > It's always been a risk buying "pre-loved" (ie, near trashed)
> instrument
>
> > clusters sourced from afar in that the attached foil may prove to be
>
> > defective in some way and so may be the cause of a permanent or
>
> > intermittent fault/faults. In my case I feel lucky, I had no issue
> with
>
> > the foil, but a faulty foil is not at all uncommon, in much the same
> way
>
> > as finding broken plastic components of the cluster mounts and
>
> > instrument enclosures are not uncommon.
>
> > So I'd suggest a very close eyeball at the foil for faults, cracks,
>
> > splits and as Phill has said, double check all the connectors of the
>
> > foil to their individual connections. I'd be using CRC226 on these,
> just
>
> > to ensure best and ongoing continuity, especially now as you may be
>
> > having a problem in this area.
>
> > Also double check and CRC226 the main connector plug into the back of
>
> > the cluster, it can at times be problematic re-connecting it properly
> in
>
> > situ.
>
> > Cheers.
>
> > Ken
>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
>
> > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:20:46 +0000
>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tacho Change Over
>
> >
>
> >
>
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> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi all. I have checked through the posts and can't find a match
> to
>
> > this problem. Here we go. Sorry it is a story but the facts are
>
> > important here.
>
> >
>
> > I had a nice tacho in a cluster that I got from the USA and over the
>
> > weekend swapped it over as I did not even have a clock in my cluster.
>
> > Very basic. My Syncro was built in 1988. I also had just got a proper
>
> > speedo with an odometer and 1 100,000 digit.
>
> >
>
> > Install went OK and everything swapped over. Tacho working well and
> new
>
> > speedo OK as well. Two issues, the temp gauge not working and the
>
> > digital clock that initially worked, went blank. Drove to town parked
>
> > for about 2 hours while at dinner, then home. No problems.
>
> >
>
> > This morning, a bit further in town. Parked for 10 minutes then took
>
> > off. 2 minutes later tacho needle drops to zero and engine stops, then
>
>
> > starts, then stops, keeps going then at a busy rounabout car dies.
> Same
>
> > sympton. Tacho needle drops then car stops. Stopped for 45 minutes.
> Car
>
> > starts and I fill up with petrol just in case fuel gauge a problem.
> Car
>
> > starts, off home and after 5 minutes, same problem. Stop start.
> Managed
>
> > to get home. Put Hart's vanagon syndrome connection in. Went round the
>
>
> > block. Same problem.
>
> >
>
> > Put old instrumemnt cluster back in later today and problem went away.
>
> >
>
> > Any thoughts from the wise heads out there. Shame because the new set
> up
>
> > looked really good.
>
> >
>
> > A frustrated Peter from Port
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