Like the idea of this.
How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?
Jon.
Probably easy if you use a genuine seat. It is just the backrest support that you would have to make.
Unless the original ADR T3 certification included a three front seat version, it would have to be certified on a vehicle by vehicle basis; this is expensive.
Any vehicle fitted with non-complying parts that is involved in an accident can have all insurance liability revoked, which can be very expensive indeed.
Les
Over the years I have obtained two Engineers Certificates for the Bergmeister.
The first was to bolt stock Caravelle seats and belts to the already present mounting points of the window van.
That "engineer" was a neurotic pedant twit.
The next was for the Porsche conversion and it's ancillaries,
and that Engineer could not have been more helpful.
Considering what I got for my money on both occasions,
the cost was not excessive.
Peter
--Original Message Text---
From: 'Les Harris' leslieharris@optusnet.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:51:52 +1100
Unless the original ADR T3 certification included a three front seat version, it would have to be certified on a vehicle by vehicle basis; this is expensive.
Any vehicle fitted with non-complying parts that is involved in an accident can have all insurance liability revoked, which can be very expensive indeed.
Les
The first was to bolt stock Caravelle seats and belts to the already present mounting points of the window van.
That "engineer" was a neurotic pedant twit.
The next was for the Porsche conversion and it's ancillaries,
and that Engineer could not have been more helpful.
Considering what I got for my money on both occasions,
the cost was not excessive.
Peter
--Original Message Text---
From: 'Les Harris' leslieharris@optusnet.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:51:52 +1100
Unless the original ADR T3 certification included a three front seat version, it would have to be certified on a vehicle by vehicle basis; this is expensive.
Any vehicle fitted with non-complying parts that is involved in an accident can have all insurance liability revoked, which can be very expensive indeed.
Les
Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.
As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.
If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.
If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.
How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?
Jon.
From:
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[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 January 2015 10:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Three Seats Up Front
As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineer’s certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.
Unless the original T3 certification included a three front seat configuration – probably unlikely.
If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.
This is the only way to do it. I have seen people turn up with a completed installations that were plain dangerous and then get very stroppy when it is rejected in its entirety. Drawings don’t need to be to scale but should include principal dimensions and material specs. Bolts should always be high tensile.
I have had my van engineered after the steering change. The Westy poptop, the rearward facing seats and the rock and roll bed had to be specified on some paperwork I was told. He checked all attachment points and seat-belts but wasn't really keen on passing the bench and rearward facing seat.
After a long decusiun I had to undo the fabric seat cover to show him the complex framework inside the bench!!! Only then he was willing to pass it. I am left with the seat in the car but only because I said it holds the toilet and will not be removed, no passengers allowed though.
Should have been more stubborn but I was happy enough that he passt everything els and only charged 700$ for that including 3 visits.
Cheers, god luck and happy Australia Day everyone
Sent from my iPhone
After a long decusiun I had to undo the fabric seat cover to show him the complex framework inside the bench!!! Only then he was willing to pass it. I am left with the seat in the car but only because I said it holds the toilet and will not be removed, no passengers allowed though.
Should have been more stubborn but I was happy enough that he passt everything els and only charged 700$ for that including 3 visits.
Cheers, god luck and happy Australia Day everyone
Sent from my iPhone
I can't speak for the other States but in Victoria if you went to vicroads with a window van that you had fitted a Caravelle interior into they would want an Engineers certificate to change the seating capacity from two to five. Even though the mounts and parts are factory and the configuration was used in Aust. Their argument for this is that they have no idea what is "factory" and no idea if it has been fitted safely. I think it is a crock just as much as the next man but it is only when you deal with these people regularly that you see how "special" they really are.
From: "'Les Harris' leslieharris@optusnet.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 10:29
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 January 2015 10:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Sent: 26 January 2015 10:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an
engineer’s
certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted
to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.
Unless
the original T3 certification included a three front seat configuration –
probably unlikely.
If
you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer
before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the
inspection.
This is the only way to do it. I have seen people turn up with a completed installations that
were plain dangerous and then get very stroppy when it is rejected in its entirety.
Drawings don’t need to be to scale but should include principal
dimensions and material specs. Bolts should always be high tensile.
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 January 2015 11:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Three Seats Up Front
I
can't speak for the other States but in Victoria
if you went to vicroads with a window van that you had fitted a
Caravelle interior into they would want an Engineers certificate to change the
seating capacity from two to five. Even though the mounts and parts are factory
and the configuration was used in Aust. Their argument for this is that they have no idea what is "factory" and no idea
if it has been fitted safely. I think it is a crock just as much as the next
man but it is only when you deal with these people regularly that you see
how "special" they really are.
That is the key phrase – no idea – !!!! They are the ones who should be determining, against official parts lists, what is legitimate for any model and what is not but that involves a four letter word – WORK – which causes them to shout NO!!
It is a truly silly system in which those who are supposed to be the authority and the arbiters simply won’t do their jobs. Employing some well qualified people, as in top mechanics, who can read parts lists, would go a long way towards rectifying this abrogation of responsibility. At the root of it all is the fact that they get paid whether they work or not so they take the no work path!!
Les
Hi Greg,
No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.
In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.
Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).
Jon.
On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
Could not agree more Les. Its just like what I went threw with the tanks from RSA. I had to employ a private business, who was licenced by customs, to check on a customs computer system for an xray preformed by customs! They had done all the hard work but needed someone else to deal with the client! The annoying thing is when I went to customs house to be redirected there were two staff twiddling their thumbs!
The same with the workshop I am building, it is up to me to find breaches in code and apply for exemption. If I miss something and build (with a valid permit) I could be liable to demolish.
As we have said before adrs and state owned roads boards are a joke. Greg
From: "'Les Harris' leslieharris@optusnet.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 12:48
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 26 January 2015 11:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Sent: 26 January 2015 11:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
I
can't speak for the other States but in Victoria
if you went to vicroads with a window van that you had fitted a
Caravelle interior into they would want an Engineers certificate to change the
seating capacity from two to five. Even though the mounts and parts are factory
and the configuration was used in Aust. Their argument for this is that they have no idea what is "factory" and no idea
if it has been fitted safely. I think it is a crock just as much as the next
man but it is only when you deal with these people regularly that you see
how "special" they really are.
That
is the key phrase – no
idea – !!!! They are the ones who should be
determining, against official parts lists, what is legitimate for any model and
what is not but that involves a four letter word – WORK – which causes
them to shout NO!!
It
is a truly silly system in which those who are supposed to be the authority and
the arbiters simply won’t do their jobs. Employing some well
qualified people, as in top mechanics, who can read parts lists, would go a
long way towards rectifying this abrogation of responsibility. At the
root of it all is the fact that they get paid whether they work or not so they
take the no work path!!
Les
Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.
I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.
1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.
2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.
3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.
A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!
Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!
We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,
No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.
In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.
Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).
Jon.
On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
With Berlin 30yrs Syncro and Bus Fest after that and with (so far) 2 Aussie Syncros attending there shouldn't be a problem of getting a jump seat back home....
Hart
Sent from my iPad
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:00 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
You should take some orders Hart. You can fit lots of parts on your tray or in a shipping container. Are you doing roll on roll off or sharing a container? Greg
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:06
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
With Berlin 30yrs Syncro and Bus Fest after that and with (so far) 2 Aussie Syncros attending there shouldn't be a problem of getting a jump seat back home....
Hart
Sent from my iPad
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:00 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
Thanks Greg. We are very much playing the waiting game now!
All valid points. A bigger job than I want to take on at the minute though. No camping trips when my mother arrives in a few weeks then. Not sure she enjoyed that last one anyway (3 x adults and a new born in van on the Great Ocean road).
In hindsight I should have got hold of a lot more stuff overseas. There were no questions asked and it all turned up a couple of weeks ago.
We are also looking at cars. Trying to find a manual Jetta but not many around (the Golf got vetoed based on boot space).
Jon.
On 26/01/2015, at 2:00 PM, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
Roro is subscribing to a risk, new cars are ok, nothing much can disappear. I decided on container which will be pretty full (20foot) , but for sure there will be room on the tray....
Remember Jürgen with the camel Syncro ? He did roro and got cleaned out, nothing left, all tools, spares, forks and spoons et cetera.
Also possible to go for open top container if height is an issue. Comes down to price o.c.
I will do Berlin, Germany tour with Max 40 Syns in groups of ten and Busfest after that.
I will do Berlin, Germany tour with Max 40 Syns in groups of ten and Busfest after that.
Please don't envy me as you have heaps of time to do these things but earthlings like
Roger and me have to pack as much as poss into the short remaining time.
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:10 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
You should take some orders Hart. You can fit lots of parts on your tray or in a shipping container. Are you doing roll on roll off or sharing a container? Greg
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:06
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
With Berlin 30yrs Syncro and Bus Fest after that and with (so far) 2 Aussie Syncros attending there shouldn't be a problem of getting a jump seat back home....
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:00 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
I was looking at Passat wagons (only autos unfortunately). Might be worth considering looking to the future with two kids (or more). Kids come with a lot of baggage, literally. Would have loved a t5 multivan but did not want to pay the price. Or dare I say it look at the interior of a xc 90!
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:13
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Thanks Greg. We are very much playing the waiting game now!
All valid points. A bigger job than I want to take on at the minute though. No camping trips when my mother arrives in a few weeks then. Not sure she enjoyed that last one anyway (3 x adults and a new born in van on the Great Ocean road).
In hindsight I should have got hold of a lot more stuff overseas. There were no questions asked and it all turned up a couple of weeks ago.
We are also looking at cars. Trying to find a manual Jetta but not many around (the Golf got vetoed based on boot space).
Jon.
On 26/01/2015, at 2:00 PM, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
I do envy you Hart! A container is definitely the way to go. The workers on cargo ships are paid a pittance considering. Anything not locked up and wrapped up will disappear. Locking things in your treasure chest(with different keyed barrels) would be the go. My time will come. We have a trip planed next year to visit our South African friends. They live in Capetown and have a buffalo farm in Pretoria. I do believe a trip to Ace wreckers and a pallet sent to yours truly will be in order.
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:23
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Roro is subscribing to a risk, new cars are ok, nothing much can disappear. I decided on container which will be pretty full (20foot) , but for sure there will be room on the tray....
Remember Jürgen with the camel Syncro ? He did roro and got cleaned out, nothing left, all tools, spares, forks and spoons et cetera.
Also possible to go for open top container if height is an issue. Comes down to price o.c.
I will do Berlin, Germany tour with Max 40 Syns in groups of ten and Busfest after that.
I will do Berlin, Germany tour with Max 40 Syns in groups of ten and Busfest after that.
Please don't envy me as you have heaps of time to do these things but earthlings like
Roger and me have to pack as much as poss into the short remaining time.
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:10 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
You should take some orders Hart. You can fit lots of parts on your tray or in a shipping container. Are you doing roll on roll off or sharing a container? Greg
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:06
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
With Berlin 30yrs Syncro and Bus Fest after that and with (so far) 2 Aussie Syncros attending there shouldn't be a problem of getting a jump seat back home....
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:00 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
Capetown....you'll love the place. We lived for 15 yrs near Joburg and Piet Retief. Had a wonderful time for the kids every single weekend we, 5 of us! cramped into our single cab T2 and spend the w/end and all hols on the gliding field where we had our hangar with liv quarters attached.
Our private car was a Typ 182 Kuebelwagen , we were doing refrigeration and I instructed gliding where EVERY landing is a forced landing. The best times we had .
Hart
Sent from my iPad
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 3:32 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I do envy you Hart! A container is definitely the way to go. The workers on cargo ships are paid a pittance considering. Anything not locked up and wrapped up will disappear. Locking things in your treasure chest(with different keyed barrels) would be the go. My time will come. We have a trip planed next year to visit our South African friends. They live in Capetown and have a buffalo farm in Pretoria. I do believe a trip to Ace wreckers and a pallet sent to yours truly will be in order.
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:23
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Roro is subscribing to a risk, new cars are ok, nothing much can disappear. I decided on container which will be pretty full (20foot) , but for sure there will be room on the tray....Remember Jürgen with the camel Syncro ? He did roro and got cleaned out, nothing left, all tools, spares, forks and spoons et cetera.Also possible to go for open top container if height is an issue. Comes down to price o.c.
I will do Berlin, Germany tour with Max 40 Syns in groups of ten and Busfest after that.Please don't envy me as you have heaps of time to do these things but earthlings likeRoger and me have to pack as much as poss into the short remaining time.HartSent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:10 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:You should take some orders Hart. You can fit lots of parts on your tray or in a shipping container. Are you doing roll on roll off or sharing a container? Greg
From: "Hartmut Kiehn hartis@live.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 14:06
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
With Berlin 30yrs Syncro and Bus Fest after that and with (so far) 2 Aussie Syncros attending there shouldn't be a problem of getting a jump seat back home....
Hart
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Jan 2015, at 2:00 pm, "Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon, it is a T3 part. It was an option, but also fitted on mass to "weekenders" in the USA and Multivans in Europe. Despite this enthusiasts seem to be buying them up fast and supplies are already low.I came to the decision to remove the skinny cupboards and go to a full size bench for a few reasons.1. the old mdf cupboards are tired looking and very heavy (making the van lighter is a big thing for me). Adding a jump seat compounds the weight issue.2. the lure of having a full size queen bed! Also a full size luggage compartment. I have found these things more useful than cupboards having three children.3.For the expense of buying a jump seat and shipping it would not do as much to lift the look of the van as an all new interior.A shipping agent will almost definitely be needed. It will also be hard to find one for sale that someone is willing to ship in the USA. Don't get me wrong, its a great solution I am just saying its not as easy doing it in Aust as it is o/seas. You should have grabbed one on your trip to Europe!Congrats on your immanent arrival. The challenges of being a vw enthusiast and a dad ha!We have decided to buy a 7 seater Volvo this week as we are at max capacity in the family car. Never thought I would say that.
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 13:09
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Hi Greg,No plans as yet just with the arrival of number 2 pending, we are at capacity in the van. 2 seats in the back due to wardrobe (Trakka conversion). Just stumbled across the blog post and liked the idea. Seems easier than ripping the interior out of the van for 3 seats at the back.In the link I sent, I see in that they used a fold down seat from a "VW Multivan". Is this a T4? Perhaps look for one of these instead.Have you tried to use a shipping company in the US that forwards here? You can get a mailbox no. with them and they forward on. A lot of people use them to get around restrictions on shipping outside of the US (i.e. bypass the exclusive distribution rights that many importers have here).Jon.On 26/01/2015, at 10:12 AM, Greg Esposito gregespo73@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Hi Jon. Is it the jump seat you wanted or the triple front seat? I tried in vain to get a jump seat from the USA recently. Van café where selling them but ended up with a waiting list as long as your arm just for local clients and could not be bothered sending to OZ. I tried Ben T, he said he had 16 pairs in stock but was not selling any! Found another guy who was wrecking and building westys, he would not ship. So basically I am saying with jump seats you will need to go the extra yard to find a good one with all the brakets, belts and trims and then convincing someone to ship is even harder. You may have luck with finding the dual pass seat in Australia as they were fitted to some dokas and sinkas. You will need to fabricate the lower stirrups for the jump seats.As far as roadworthiness is concerned you will need an engineers certificate even if you are bolting in genuine parts that were fitted to Oz vehicles. This is because you are changing the seating capacity.If you have to fabricate any parts at all my advice is to talk to an engineer before you make them, give him detailed drawings, then produce them and do the inspection.If I may ask who is to travel in the extra seat and do you have a triple bench up back? Greg
From: "Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015, 21:03
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Three Seats Up Front
Like the idea of this.How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?Jon.
I tried to get one of these jump seats
too and a few other T25 items from the states without luck.
I gave up after a while but I did note that you really need to cut holes in the floor to fit the base of the seat - a scary thought for me.
But the seat is still a great idea - it folds up and can be easily removed, has its own seat belt and matches the existing caravelle seat upholstery.
Skot
On 25/01/2015 9:03 PM, Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
I gave up after a while but I did note that you really need to cut holes in the floor to fit the base of the seat - a scary thought for me.
But the seat is still a great idea - it folds up and can be easily removed, has its own seat belt and matches the existing caravelle seat upholstery.
Skot
On 25/01/2015 9:03 PM, Jon Bartlett mail@jaybe.net [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
Like the idea of this.
How hard would this be to get past the "authorities"?
Jon.