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Hi Mark,


Its a very good tent and quite large tent and easily fits on the back mattress when folded which is I think the advantage over the OZ tent (which is quicker to put up but much longer when folded). It does need two people to fold really but when you know what you are doing you can easily erect or fold in 10mins. (15 with all the guides but you generally won't need many of these). You can fit the awning to the side of the syncro but we find this doesn't quite leave enough room for a table outside and the like - hence thinking about the awning. 

I have the original side awning tent and even a rear shower tent that came with the trakka van too, but both of these are pretty impractical if you want to be able to drive and return to your site quickly. 

Cheers Murray 

On 11/12/2009, at 6:02 PM, Mark Kofahl wrote:

Hi Murray

I will try and get a photo of the mounts for you.

What model Black Wolf do you use?

Regards
Mark.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Murray Lee <murray.lee@usyd. edu.au> wrote:
 

Yes, interesting Scott. The manufacturers Fiamma seem to suggest that having it fitted at highway speed is not a problem, but I would like to speak to someone with one who regularly does. They seem to be around the $500 mark and available from suppliers online, so if they were to slide into my rope guide this would be an easy and relative cheap option. 

We already have a good quick to erect Black Wolf touring tent and my aim is to be able to set the tent entrance under the awning for a nice outside space for the family but also to enable a quick pack up and drive.  Ahh the kit hey! 

Cheers M


On 09/12/2009, at 12:15 PM, Mr Scott Pitcher wrote:


Murray,
 
I would anticipate that a bag awning style would flap around madly under highway speeds which would damage it? - But I could easily be wrong.
 
I would at least question that issue.
 
We have decided to get a JustKampers Awning tent from the Bus Stop as I have 3 females to deal with who like to spread themselves out. Only takes 2 pegs and a couple of clamps to set it up on the car. The trick is putting it up every time - takes me about an hour - well it did the first time.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Murray Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info

 

Hi Ken,

Yes, the fixing part is the thing that concerns me a little. I notice Faimma also make a 'bag' type which is easily removable and slips into and out of a rope track which can be secured with screws into the track. As I already have a rope track on this side this has some attraction but I wonder how this would fare when driving as apparently you can keep them fixed in the track while on the move. 
Cheers M



On 09/12/2009, at 11:05 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:

Murray,
I'd suggest proceeding with caution. Essentially I had the idea the awning is great but the means of fastening it .... especially to withstand long term reliable trouble free fastening on our fibreglass poptops can be problematic. Worse for offroaders of course. Good luck.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: murray.lee@usyd. edu.au
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:38:32 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info

 
Hi Mark,

Thanks for this. I'm assuming your awning is the 2.5m version? Also, can you tell me how it is fixed to the van? I've just been speaking to the supplier and it seems leke there may be a range of options as to how to fix it. 

Cheers Murray

On 08/12/2009, at 11:42 PM, Mark Kofahl wrote:

Murray


I have the Fiamma F45 - an excellent awning. No real disadvantages other than I broke the plastic lug once which required a $10 replacement. 

Distributor in NSW is Camec at Ingleburn.

Regards
Mark.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Murray Lee <murray.lee@usyd. edu.au> wrote:
 

Hi All,


 

I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro. Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands, distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.


 

Cheers

Murray


 

 




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Thanks Larry, that actually looks really interesting and built for the
job as well.


On 12/12/2009, at 5:17 AM, Larry Hamm wrote:

> Murray,
>
> I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's
> their website:
>
> http://www.shadyboy.com/the-awning/
>
> Larry Hamm
> '82 SyncroWesty, USA
>
> Murray Lee wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro.
>> Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with
>> these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands,
>> distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can
>> be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney
>> so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Murray
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Hi ken, Good point about the space and mounting points. In fact I think the best design would be something lightweight that fitted around the gutter like a roof rack somehow. I though perhaps this might be possible with the model Larry suggested but the pix looking close seem to suggest it also has quite bulky brackets. 

Re the rope guide I suspect this was an extra with the trakka as I have it too - as well as the side awning that slides into it. Unfortunately it is quite impractical to use I think as each time you drive you have to pull it down and pack up anything left in it. I've still used it quite a bit with no rivet problems though. 

Cheers Murray

On 12/12/2009, at 11:26 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Ken Garratt included below]

Larry and ALL,
 
I think perhaps posters are missing something here .... I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong and open to workable suggestions.

Murray and I and others in Oz have Trakka type poptops. They are particularly low profile in design so they look quite neat on the van. This means there is very little space available to locate an awning, the space available for the awning brackets/fasteners is an angled profile less than 2 inches high i.e., the space between the metal gutter and the bottom of the poptop when closed and the material to fasten to is only fibreglass (the fixed base frame of the poptop).
 
See the attached pic, the limited space I refer to is that space you see where the aluminium awning rope strip is presently rivetted. When I bought this van, some of the pop rivets holding the strip were already pulling out, meaning even just a light slide-in awning plus road vibrations, wind, etc. over time causes the rivets to pull out. So this begs the question then .... how would a weightier modular/integrated awning fit in the limited available space and also be so firmly fixed in the 2'' high fibreglass fastening space so as to resist falling off over time with gravity forces, road vibration, offroading leverage etc or being dislodged by snagging branches in narrow bush tracks?
 
Perhaps the presence of the aluminium rope strip suggests previous owners have already been through this exercise and come to the conclusion it is all too hard .... a lightweight removable slide-in awning is all that's possible in this particular circumstance.
 
Thoughts anyone would be appreciated. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
 
 
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> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info
> 
> Murray,
> 
> I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's 
> their website:
> 
> http://www.shadyboy .com/the- awning/
> 
> Larry Hamm
> '82 SyncroWesty, USA
> 
> Murray Lee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro. 
> > Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with 
> > these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands, 
> > distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can 
> > be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney 
> > so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.
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Larry’s post reminded me of a website that I had seen some years ago and had effective forgotten about.

At the time, I was looking for a source of a side awning – mine was no longer with the vehicle when I bought it.  I found all manner of awnings but all that I wanted was a straight copy of the original Trakka awning, a flat sheet about 2.8 m X 2 m.  This place makes everything you could possibly think of, including flat panel awnings for sailtrack.  The prices are very reasonable.

Just look at the website: http://www.infrontcampinggear.com.au/webcontent8.htm

Les

 

 

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Sent: 12 December 2009 05:18
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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

Murray ,

 

I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's

their website:

 

http://www.shadyboy.com/the-awning/

 

Larry Hamm

'82 SyncroWesty , USA

 

Murray Lee wrote:

>  

>  

> Hi All,

>  

> I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro.

> Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with

> these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands,

> distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can

> be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney

> so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.

>  

> Cheers

>  

> Murray

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For those who haven’t seen the original Trakka conversion, here’s a pic that shows the side awning.  It came with the rear door annexe also.  Not shown is the skirt that ran full length along the side and covered the gap between the body and the round.  This provided an excellent windbreak for winds coming under the vehicle.

Les

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: 12 December 2009 11:49
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

 

Larry’s post reminded me of a website that I had seen some years ago and had effective forgotten about.

At the time, I was looking for a source of a side awning – mine was no longer with the vehicle when I bought it.  I found all manner of awnings but all that I wanted was a straight copy of the original Trakka awning, a flat sheet about 2.8 m X 2 m.  This place makes everything you could possibly think of, including flat panel awnings for sailtrack.  The prices are very reasonable.

Just look at the website: http://www.infrontc ampinggear. com.au/webconten t8.htm

Les

 

 

46
Les,
Well you're in the box seat being much closer to be able to pop in and ask questions face to face, whereas Murray and I are interstate.
My aluminium rope strip is 3 metres long, so that determines maximum length or less for compactness so then it could be shifted along the track to suit camping conditions, sun position, whatever. Width is debatable, perhaps make it 3 metres wide with post positions both at 2 metres and 3 metres out for flexiblity. When at 2 metres, the remaining 1 metre can simply hang or be made rigid with guy ropes to form a shade edge. For me it would be a question of economy, simplicity, basic, lightweight fabric, showerproof, flatbag storable (fold to the size of the back mattress or if slim when folded, lay on the mezzanine bed base as I have no mattress etc. up top). Lightweight (fibreglass?) compactable/foldable/telescopic posts?
 
Has someone already done all this before? If so, I'm not really interested in "re-inventing the wheel".
 
Cheers.
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:49:13 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

Larry’s post reminded me of a website that I had seen some years ago and had effective forgotten about.

At the time, I was looking for a source of a side awning – mine was no longer with the vehicle when I bought it.  I found all manner of awnings but all that I wanted was a straight copy of the original Trakka awning, a flat sheet about 2.8 m X 2 m.  This place makes everything you could possibly think of, including flat panel awnings for sailtrack.  The prices are very reasonable.

Just look at the website: http://www.infrontc ampinggear. com.au/webconten t8.htm

Les

 

 

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Sent: 12 December 2009 05:18
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info

 

Murray,

 

I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's

their website:

 

http://www.shadyboy .com/the- awning/

 

Larry Hamm

'82 SyncroWesty, USA

 

Murray Lee wrote:

> 

> 

> Hi All,

> 

> I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro.

> Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with

> these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands,

> distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can

> be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney

> so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.

> 

> Cheers

> 

> Murray

> 

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Ken,

Sounds like a good starting point.  I will ring them, go out there if needed (they aren’t far away) and get back to you.  This is a source for the awning only.  In respect of poles and guys, every camping shop in the world has them, so you are better off sourcing locally.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 12 December 2009 12:56
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

Les,
Well you're in the box seat being much closer to be able to pop in and ask questions face to face, whereas Murray and I are interstate.
My aluminium rope strip is 3 metres long, so that determines maximum length or less for compactness so then it could be shifted along the track to suit camping conditions, sun position, whatever. Width is debatable, perhaps make it 3 metres wide with post positions both at 2 metres and 3 metres out for flexiblity. When at 2 metres, the remaining 1 metre can simply hang or be made rigid with guy ropes to form a shade edge. For me it would be a question of economy, simplicity, basic, lightweight fabric, showerproof, flatbag storable (fold to the size of the back mattress or if slim when folded, lay on the mezzanine bed base as I have no mattress etc. up top). Lightweight (fibreglass? ) compactable/ foldable/ telescopic posts?
 
Has someone already done all this before? If so, I'm not really interested in "re-inventing the wheel".
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

 

48
RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could be a good option.

Cheers Murray

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Sent: Sat 12/12/2009 1:37 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

Ken,

Sounds like a good starting point.  I will ring them, go out there if needed
(they aren't far away) and get back to you.  This is a source for the awning
only.  In respect of poles and guys, every camping shop in the world has
them, so you are better off sourcing locally.

Les



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Sent: 12 December 2009 12:56
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info



Les,
Well you're in the box seat being much closer to be able to pop in and ask
questions face to face, whereas Murray and I are interstate.
My aluminium rope strip is 3 metres long, so that determines maximum length
or less for compactness so then it could be shifted along the track to suit
camping conditions, sun position, whatever. Width is debatable, perhaps make
it 3 metres wide with post positions both at 2 metres and 3 metres out for
flexiblity. When at 2 metres, the remaining 1 metre can simply hang or be
made rigid with guy ropes to form a shade edge. For me it would be a
question of economy, simplicity, basic, lightweight fabric, showerproof,
flatbag storable (fold to the size of the back mattress or if slim when
folded, lay on the mezzanine bed base as I have no mattress etc. up top).
Lightweight (fibreglass?) compactable/foldable/telescopic posts?

Has someone already done all this before? If so, I'm not really interested
in "re-inventing the wheel".

Cheers.
Ken

49
Ken,
 
I had a thought while looking through the K Mart catledog. If you purchase one of the largest Christmas trees available (in the after X mas sales ofcourse) you could trailer it around and put it up beside the van - even peg it down for those windy days. At least it wouldn't need watering!
 
You could even decorate it!
 
Birds could even nest in it a crap all over you.
 
Just a thought.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
 
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Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info [1 Attachment]

 

Larry and ALL,
 
I think perhaps posters are missing something here .... I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong and open to workable suggestions.

Murray and I and others in Oz have Trakka type poptops. They are particularly low profile in design so they look quite neat on the van. This means there is very little space available to locate an awning, the space available for the awning brackets/fasteners is an angled profile less than 2 inches high i.e., the space between the metal gutter and the bottom of the poptop when closed and the material to fasten to is only fibreglass (the fixed base frame of the poptop).
 
See the attached pic, the limited space I refer to is that space you see where the aluminium awning rope strip is presently rivetted. When I bought this van, some of the pop rivets holding the strip were already pulling out, meaning even just a light slide-in awning plus road vibrations, wind, etc. over time causes the rivets to pull out. So this begs the question then .... how would a weightier modular/integrated awning fit in the limited available space and also be so firmly fixed in the 2'' high fibreglass fastening space so as to resist falling off over time with gravity forces, road vibration, offroading leverage etc or being dislodged by snagging branches in narrow bush tracks?
 
Perhaps the presence of the aluminium rope strip suggests previous owners have already been through this exercise and come to the conclusion it is all too hard .... a lightweight removable slide-in awning is all that's possible in this particular circumstance.
 
Thoughts anyone would be appreciated. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
 
 
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> From: Patlar@hughes. net
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:17:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info
>
> Murray,
>
> I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's
> their website:
>
> http://www.shadyboy .com/the- awning/
>
> Larry Hamm
> '82 SyncroWesty, USA
>
> Murray Lee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro.
> > Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with
> > these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands,
> > distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can
> > be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney
> > so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Murray
> >
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Murray,

The topic has broadened itself a bit since it started and got a bit confused. 

I think it started from the need of some weatherproof space outside the Syncro when you are travelling with kids.  The first situation implies a stop of more than an overnight.  If it is just an overnight, the original Trakka awning provides enough sun/rain shelter to cook and wash but no more.  If it is several nights, space is need for the kids and their many accoutrements.

I added to this line of discussion by saying that I had a used a stand-alone high-walled tent to satisfy this space requirement and bridged the gap between the sliding door and the stand-alone with the sailtrack awning.

The practicality of the original awning and skirt is as you say – limited – and I don’t think that it was ever intended to be otherwise.  Camping for several days at the one location needs that extra structure.  The one I had so long ago did have an additional advantage.  I could drive the vehicle way and leave that tent standing.  On return, it was quite easy to put the vehicle back in the same spot as it had been.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Murray Lee
Sent: 12 December 2009 13:51
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ; Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

 

They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could be a good option.

Cheers Murray

Dr Murray Lee / Senior Lecturer in Criminology / Sydney Law School / University of Sydney /
New Law Building F10, University of Sydney 2006 NSW / ph: (02) 9351 0443 / FAX: (02) 9351 0200




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RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

Indeed, Les. I hadn't realised the one you were talking about that you used to have was stand-alone (a great idea for multiple nights). I've just returned from Tasie and a conference and didn't catch up with all the emails along the trail.

Just to re-state more clearly than I did originally, my purpose was to have both a quick overnight cover that could be erected within a few minutes but that would also offer a cover link between our van and the Black Wolf touring tent we use if we set up for more than a night.

The company you've just directed Ken to seems to offer a cheap alternative that could do this OK.

Anyway, all this has been a useful discussion for me and thrown up a number of options.

Kind Regards
Murray





-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Les Harris
Sent: Sat 12/12/2009 2:20 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

Murray,

The topic has broadened itself a bit since it started and got a bit
confused. 

I think it started from the need of some weatherproof space outside the
Syncro when you are travelling with kids.  The first situation implies a
stop of more than an overnight.  If it is just an overnight, the original
Trakka awning provides enough sun/rain shelter to cook and wash but no more.
If it is several nights, space is need for the kids and their many
accoutrements.

I added to this line of discussion by saying that I had a used a stand-alone
high-walled tent to satisfy this space requirement and bridged the gap
between the sliding door and the stand-alone with the sailtrack awning.

The practicality of the original awning and skirt is as you say - limited -
and I don't think that it was ever intended to be otherwise.  Camping for
several days at the one location needs that extra structure.  The one I had
so long ago did have an additional advantage.  I could drive the vehicle way
and leave that tent standing.  On return, it was quite easy to put the
vehicle back in the same spot as it had been.

Les



  _____ 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Murray Lee
Sent: 12 December 2009 13:51
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com; Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info



 

They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original
annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely
impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could be
a good option.

Cheers Murray

Dr Murray Lee / Senior Lecturer in Criminology / Sydney Law School /
University of Sydney /
New Law Building F10, University of Sydney 2006 NSW / ph: (02) 9351 0443 /
FAX: (02) 9351 0200

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Be fair to say that at times where one pre-plans or short notice chooses to linger longer, installing the awning would be an option. Stopping for lunch, even for a few hours .... would not.
Ken 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: murray.lee@usyd.edu.au
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:43:47 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 

Indeed, Les. I hadn't realised the one you were talking about that you used to have was stand-alone (a great idea for multiple nights). I've just returned from Tasie and a conference and didn't catch up with all the emails along the trail.

Just to re-state more clearly than I did originally, my purpose was to have both a quick overnight cover that could be erected within a few minutes but that would also offer a cover link between our van and the Black Wolf touring tent we use if we set up for more than a night.

The company you've just directed Ken to seems to offer a cheap alternative that could do this OK.

Anyway, all this has been a useful discussion for me and thrown up a number of options.

Kind Regards
Murray





-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com on behalf of Les Harris
Sent: Sat 12/12/2009 2:20 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info

Murray,

The topic has broadened itself a bit since it started and got a bit
confused. 

I think it started from the need of some weatherproof space outside the
Syncro when you are travelling with kids.  The first situation implies a
stop of more than an overnight.  If it is just an overnight, the original
Trakka awning provides enough sun/rain shelter to cook and wash but no more.
If it is several nights, space is need for the kids and their many
accoutrements.

I added to this line of discussion by saying that I had a used a stand-alone
high-walled tent to satisfy this space requirement and bridged the gap
between the sliding door and the stand-alone with the sailtrack awning.

The practicality of the original awning and skirt is as you say - limited -
and I don't think that it was ever intended to be otherwise.  Camping for
several days at the one location needs that extra structure.  The one I had
so long ago did have an additional advantage.  I could drive the vehicle way
and leave that tent standing.  On return, it was quite easy to put the
vehicle back in the same spot as it had been.

Les



  _____ 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Murray Lee
Sent: 12 December 2009 13:51
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com; Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info



 

They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original
annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely
impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could be
a good option.

Cheers Murray

Dr Murray Lee / Senior Lecturer in Criminology / Sydney Law School /
University of Sydney /
New Law Building F10, University of Sydney 2006 NSW / ph: (02) 9351 0443 /
FAX: (02) 9351 0200










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Scott,
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that first? M8y, this idea is bettered only by your good looks.
 
Les, cancel the awning ok ..... I'm heading to KMart on Boxing Day. I'm indebted Scott. Thanks a lot.
Cheers.
Ken

 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: spbconsulting@bigpond.com
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:11:09 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info

 
Ken,
 
I had a thought while looking through the K Mart catledog. If you purchase one of the largest Christmas trees available (in the after X mas sales ofcourse) you could trailer it around and put it up beside the van - even peg it down for those windy days. At least it wouldn't need watering!
 
You could even decorate it!
 
Birds could even nest in it a crap all over you.
 
Just a thought.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info [1 Attachment]

 

Larry and ALL,
 
I think perhaps posters are missing something here .... I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong and open to workable suggestions.

Murray and I and others in Oz have Trakka type poptops. They are particularly low profile in design so they look quite neat on the van. This means there is very little space available to locate an awning, the space available for the awning brackets/fasteners is an angled profile less than 2 inches high i.e., the space between the metal gutter and the bottom of the poptop when closed and the material to fasten to is only fibreglass (the fixed base frame of the poptop).
 
See the attached pic, the limited space I refer to is that space you see where the aluminium awning rope strip is presently rivetted. When I bought this van, some of the pop rivets holding the strip were already pulling out, meaning even just a light slide-in awning plus road vibrations, wind, etc. over time causes the rivets to pull out. So this begs the question then .... how would a weightier modular/integrated awning fit in the limited available space and also be so firmly fixed in the 2'' high fibreglass fastening space so as to resist falling off over time with gravity forces, road vibration, offroading leverage etc or being dislodged by snagging branches in narrow bush tracks?
 
Perhaps the presence of the aluminium rope strip suggests previous owners have already been through this exercise and come to the conclusion it is all too hard .... a lightweight removable slide-in awning is all that's possible in this particular circumstance.
 
Thoughts anyone would be appreciated. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
 
 
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: Patlar@hughes. net
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:17:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Side Awning Info
>
> Murray,
>
> I have a ShadyBoy awning on my van, which I like quite well. Here's
> their website:
>
> http://www.shadyboy .com/the- awning/
>
> Larry Hamm
> '82 SyncroWesty, USA
>
> Murray Lee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I’m considering buying a side roll out awning for the Trakka Syncro.
> > Mark I know yours works quite well. Are there pros and cons with
> > these? Have others had good or bad experiences with brands,
> > distributors, or manufacturers of these? I’m after something that can
> > be erected and rolled up very quickly for overnighters. I’m in Sydney
> > so I’d be keen to know of local suppliers.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Murray
> >
> >
> >
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Try these. They really do only take a few minutes to erect.

http://www.freedomcamping.com.au/touring.html

and they have a sale on now

http://www.freedomcamping.com.au/



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Murray,
>
> The topic has broadened itself a bit since it started and got a bit
> confused.
>
> I think it started from the need of some weatherproof space outside the
> Syncro when you are travelling with kids. The first situation implies a
> stop of more than an overnight. If it is just an overnight, the
> original
> Trakka awning provides enough sun/rain shelter to cook and wash but no
> more.
> If it is several nights, space is need for the kids and their many
> accoutrements.
>
> I added to this line of discussion by saying that I had a used a
> stand-alone
> high-walled tent to satisfy this space requirement and bridged the gap
> between the sliding door and the stand-alone with the sailtrack awning.
>
> The practicality of the original awning and skirt is as you say -
> limited -
> and I don't think that it was ever intended to be otherwise. Camping
> for
> several days at the one location needs that extra structure. The one I
> had
> so long ago did have an additional advantage. I could drive the vehicle
> way
> and leave that tent standing. On return, it was quite easy to put the
> vehicle back in the same spot as it had been.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Murray Lee
> Sent: 12 December 2009 13:51
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com;
> Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info
>
>
>
>
>
> They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original
> annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely
> impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could
> be
> a good option.
>
> Cheers Murray
>
> Dr Murray Lee / Senior Lecturer in Criminology / Sydney Law School /
> University of Sydney /
> New Law Building F10, University of Sydney 2006 NSW / ph: (02) 9351 0443
> /
> FAX: (02) 9351 0200
55
More info

http://www.freedomcamping.com.au/piupia.html



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Murray,
>
> The topic has broadened itself a bit since it started and got a bit
> confused.
>
> I think it started from the need of some weatherproof space outside the
> Syncro when you are travelling with kids. The first situation implies a
> stop of more than an overnight. If it is just an overnight, the
> original
> Trakka awning provides enough sun/rain shelter to cook and wash but no
> more.
> If it is several nights, space is need for the kids and their many
> accoutrements.
>
> I added to this line of discussion by saying that I had a used a
> stand-alone
> high-walled tent to satisfy this space requirement and bridged the gap
> between the sliding door and the stand-alone with the sailtrack awning.
>
> The practicality of the original awning and skirt is as you say -
> limited -
> and I don't think that it was ever intended to be otherwise. Camping
> for
> several days at the one location needs that extra structure. The one I
> had
> so long ago did have an additional advantage. I could drive the vehicle
> way
> and leave that tent standing. On return, it was quite easy to put the
> vehicle back in the same spot as it had been.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Murray Lee
> Sent: 12 December 2009 13:51
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com;
> Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Side Awning Info
>
>
>
>
>
> They don't sound bad actually Les. As I said, I already own the original
> annex(es) and skirt and the like, but to my mind these are completely
> impractical. However, these are very simply and quick to pull down Could
> be
> a good option.
>
> Cheers Murray
>
> Dr Murray Lee / Senior Lecturer in Criminology / Sydney Law School /
> University of Sydney /
> New Law Building F10, University of Sydney 2006 NSW / ph: (02) 9351 0443
> /
> FAX: (02) 9351 0200