Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

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Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H
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> tonyricketts99 <ricketts.tony@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H

Are they Mercedes?
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Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H

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Les,
 
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49  6J  H2  124 400 0602
 
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Tony Ricketts <ricketts.tony@gmail.com> wrote:
Les,
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49 6J H2 124 400 0602
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
Tony
Those are Mercedes steel wheels found on 80's & 90's 190 sedans. You can find the original spec here:
Cheers,
BenT
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Tony

I have Mercedes 15" steel wheels on my Syncro. They are a good match with the correct offset. They have a part number stamped on them which i can let you have if it is any help.

Replacement wheels for the syncro are a bit tricky. There is lots of info on what fits if you try a google search but the problem is most of it is US or UK based and the wheels are a bit harder to locate here.

The ones i have are off a C series sedan i think.

WHat are the 16s you have, some 16s will fit if they are close to the VW spec 16s?

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 25/02/2009, at 9:07 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:


Les,
 
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49  6J  H2  124 400 0602
 
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H 




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Gary,
 
It appears that the steel wheels I am looking for are rfrom a 80s and 90s Merc 190 !  Can you please confirm what steel wheels you have on your Syncro {I understand the correct offset for the Syncro is ET27.5}
Look forward to your advice,
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Tony


I have Mercedes 15" steel wheels on my Syncro. They are a good match with the correct offset. They have a part number stamped on them which i can let you have if it is any help.

Replacement wheels for the syncro are a bit tricky. There is lots of info on what fits if you try a google search but the problem is most of it is US or UK based and the wheels are a bit harder to locate here.

The ones i have are off a C series sedan i think.

WHat are the 16s you have, some 16s will fit if they are close to the VW spec 16s?

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 25/02/2009, at 9:07 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:


Les,
 
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49  6J  H2  124 400 0602
 
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H 




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Tony,

Syncros can tolerate a wider range of offsets depending on the width of the wheel. Stock offset for Syncro alloy wheels is ET30. You obviously already discovered ET49 wheels at 6" wide will fit as well.

Be aware though that MB cars frequently used 12mm bolt to attach wheels except for the later M-class & S-class. Our Syncros use 14mm studs. Most aftermarket wheels especially steel ones are drilled to fit both sizes (ie bigger hole). Many original rims may need work to fit.

Cheers,
BenT

Sent via BenTberry by BenTNT

From: "Tony Ricketts"
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:35:47 +0900
To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Gary,
 
It appears that the steel wheels I am looking for are rfrom a 80s and 90s Merc 190 !  Can you please confirm what steel wheels you have on your Syncro {I understand the correct offset for the Syncro is ET27.5}
Look forward to your advice,
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Tony


I have Mercedes 15" steel wheels on my Syncro. They are a good match with the correct offset. They have a part number stamped on them which i can let you have if it is any help.

Replacement wheels for the syncro are a bit tricky. There is lots of info on what fits if you try a google search but the problem is most of it is US or UK based and the wheels are a bit harder to locate here.

The ones i have are off a C series sedan i think.

WHat are the 16s you have, some 16s will fit if they are close to the VW spec 16s?

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 25/02/2009, at 9:07 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:


Les,
 
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49  6J  H2  124 400 0602
 
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H 




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I was warned against using those wheels as they are much thinner steel and would not have the weight capacity for a syncro. You will have to get special nuts made to suit the taper.

Phill



> syncro@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Syncros can tolerate a wider range of offsets depending on the width of
> the wheel. Stock offset for Syncro alloy wheels is ET30. You obviously
> already discovered ET49 wheels at 6" wide will fit as well.
>
> Be aware though that MB cars frequently used 12mm bolt to attach wheels
> except for the later M-class & S-class. Our Syncros use 14mm studs. Most
> aftermarket wheels especially steel ones are drilled to fit both sizes
> (ie bigger hole). Many original rims may need work to fit.
>
> Cheers,
> BenT
> Sent via BenTberry by BenTNT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tony Ricketts" <ricketts.tony@gmail.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:35:47
> To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Gary,
>
> It appears that the steel wheels I am looking for are rfrom a 80s and
> 90s Merc 190 ! Can you please confirm what steel wheels you have on
> your Syncro {I understand the correct offset for the Syncro is ET27.5}
> Look forward to your advice,
>
> Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Cookson
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> I have Mercedes 15" steel wheels on my Syncro. They are a good match
> with the correct offset. They have a part number stamped on them which i
> can let you have if it is any help.
>
>
> Replacement wheels for the syncro are a bit tricky. There is lots of
> info on what fits if you try a google search but the problem is most of
> it is US or UK based and the wheels are a bit harder to locate here.
>
>
> The ones i have are off a C series sedan i think.
>
>
> WHat are the 16s you have, some 16s will fit if they are close to the
> VW spec 16s?
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@twentytwentyone.net
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
>
> On 25/02/2009, at 9:07 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:
>
>
>
> Les,
>
> At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I
> have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it
> four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
> ET49 6J H2 124 400 0602
>
> I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was}
> looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
> Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX
> tomorrow !
>
> Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Harris
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
>
>
> Tony.
>
> ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset. Why in the
> world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
>
> And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonyricketts99
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or
> S/H
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:12 AM, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I was warned against using those wheels as they are much thinner steel and would not have the weight capacity for a syncro. You will have to get special nuts made to suit the taper.

Phill
Phill,
There is healthy discussion about this topic in the worldwide Synco List. Although I will agree that they are substantially lighter weight than the steel rims from my Syncro 16, I have yet to hear anyone bend or break one in use on a Syncro. There are a quite a few people using these wheels.
I have seen one bent badly in a 2wd Vanagon but I hardly think it was the fault of the rim. Some pregnant teenager dropped her lunch as she was driving by. As she reached down to retrieve her sandwich, she pressed the accelerator pedal and made contact with my van. The impact was so severe that her vehicle managed to shove my van sideways onto the curb (kerb?) and over the sidewalk. This was after some of the force of impact was damped by the first car she hit. The rear wheel survived. Front wheel had a bent rim likely because it took the full force of the impact. That wheel was turned towards the concrete curb at the time.
The police report was quite amusing. It started something like, "D1 one aledged she drop her lunch and reached for it... (her vehicle) V1 then hit vehicle V2 before colliding with V3 (my Vanagon). V1 came to rest on it's side. V2 & V3 are parked. Searched V1 to confirm D1 claim. Lunch found on passenger side floorboard."
Cheers,
BenT A. Wheel
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Hi Tony, I don't know exactly which Merc they came from but they have 14mm holes and required no mods except to remove the two small bolts that hold the rear brake drums on. From memory they have an ET of 31 but i'll check that.

I assume therefore after what BenT says that they came from a later model Merc.

I bought them from ebay. Tonight, i'll email the part number stamped on them. You can try ringing a few wreckers and see what they have. I could do with a couple more myself so let me know how you get on.

I couldn't find a photo or i would have sent one.

There are also Audi alloys and Merc Alloys that will fit but they sometimes need longer studs fitting and/or the holes enlarging from 12mm to 14mm (Merc) as well as the hub centre enlarging. The club 80-90 site in the UK has lots of info on this. Audi alloy wheels are plentiful at least.

You can also do what Les did and have new rims made for a set of stock 14s. Ajax wheels do it and it isn't that expensive plus you can keep the VW hubcaps.

G

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 25/02/2009, at 11:35 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:


Gary,
 
It appears that the steel wheels I am looking for are rfrom a 80s and 90s Merc 190 !  Can you please confirm what steel wheels you have on your Syncro {I understand the correct offset for the Syncro is ET27.5}
Look forward to your advice,
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Tony


I have Mercedes 15" steel wheels on my Syncro. They are a good match with the correct offset. They have a part number stamped on them which i can let you have if it is any help.

Replacement wheels for the syncro are a bit tricky. There is lots of info on what fits if you try a google search but the problem is most of it is US or UK based and the wheels are a bit harder to locate here.

The ones i have are off a C series sedan i think.

WHat are the 16s you have, some 16s will fit if they are close to the VW spec 16s?

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 25/02/2009, at 9:07 PM, Tony Ricketts wrote:


Les,
 
At present I have 5 16inch wheels that I now know are too big, and I have almost already sold them ! When I bought the Syncro it had on it four 15inch steel wheels with the following stamped into the metal.
ET49  6J  H2  124 400 0602
 
I assumed that these 15inch wheels were OK therefore am {was} looking for 2 more in order to then get 6 tyres {like yours}.
Any adice would be welcome. Not got CD s yet will check PO BOX tomorrow !
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Tony.
 
ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset.  Why in the world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
 
And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels

Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H 







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Ben, you always have the best stories....

Phil, I'd also heard this discussed and they are definitely lighter steel than the syncro rims but they are used on Mercedes wagons which are i imagine close to 2 tons and being steel they are unlikely to just give way in a catastrophic way.

I checked the taper shape against the nuts and there is a good area of steel contacting plus 2 nuts were sufficient to locate all of the studs centrally in the holes when finger tightening on my first fitup.

Cheers
G

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 26/02/2009, at 9:19 AM, BenT Syncro wrote:



On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:12 AM, <plander@optusnet. com.au> wrote:
I was warned against using those wheels as they are much thinner steel and would not have the weight capacity for a syncro. You will have to get special nuts made to suit the taper.

Phill
 
Phill,
 
There is healthy discussion about this topic in the worldwide Synco List. Although I will agree that they are substantially lighter weight than the steel rims from my Syncro 16, I have yet to hear anyone bend or break one in use on a Syncro. There are a quite a few people using these wheels.
 
I have seen one bent badly in a 2wd Vanagon but I hardly think it was the fault of the rim. Some pregnant teenager dropped her lunch as she was driving by. As she reached down to retrieve her sandwich, she pressed the accelerator pedal and made contact with my van. The impact was so severe that her vehicle managed to shove my van sideways onto the curb (kerb?) and over the sidewalk. This was after some of the force of impact was damped by the first car she hit. The rear wheel survived. Front wheel had a bent rim likely because it took the full force of the impact. That wheel was turned towards the concrete curb at the time.
 
The police report was quite amusing. It started something like, "D1 one aledged she drop her lunch and reached for it... (her vehicle) V1 then hit vehicle V2 before colliding with V3 (my Vanagon). V1 came to rest on it's side. V2 & V3 are parked. Searched V1 to confirm D1 claim. Lunch found on passenger side floorboard." 
 
 
Cheers,
 
BenT A. Wheel


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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyone.net> wrote:

There are also Audi alloys and
Audi wheels will require enlarging of the centerbore by 10mm more. You also need to be certain about which Audi you get them from. The sporty little Audi TT is built on the old VW platform so they use the 5 X 100mm bolt pattern instead of 5 X 112mm that our Syncros have.
You can mix and match offsets as long as they are not too different and must be the same size and width in order to accommodate the same size tires. It might be interesting to note that the rear wheels are mounted about 12mm-13mm more inward than the fronts. In this example, if you mount the ET49 wheels you have in front and use the hypothetical ET31 wheels that Gary has in the rear, you
may find that the front track is almost exact as the rear. Well, ET49 minus ET31 is 18mm difference. But factor in the 13mm difference in the wheel mounting surfaces is only 5mm. The downside is tire/wheel rotation will screw everything up unless you only swap tires and not wheels.
BenT
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyone.net> wrote:
Ben, you always have the best stories....

Phil, I'd also heard this discussed and they are definitely lighter steel than the syncro rims but they are used on Mercedes wagons which are i imagine close to 2 tons and being steel they are unlikely to just give way in a catastrophic way.

I checked the taper shape against the nuts and there is a good area of steel contacting plus 2 nuts were sufficient to locate all of the studs centrally in the holes when finger tightening on my first fitup.

Cheers
G
Thanks, Gary. Sorry for going tangent from the subject. I do want to add one last piece to that story. My van was for sale for US$1200. Insurance company of Ms. D1 paid $2700 to repair it. I kept the money and sold the wreck to local shop for $300. The big insurance companies don't always win. I used to work for them =)
By the way, some of the steel Merc wheels are on 6,000+lbs S-class sedans. I can't say they take the same punishment as a Syncro in the outback but many of these wheels are rated above the weight of a fully-laden Syncro camper.
If you take the wheels from an S-class, they have the correct contour for 14mm lugnuts. I happen to have all of these sort of things onhand. Unfortunately, I am on the other side of the world.
Ben T
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> > Phil, I'd also heard this discussed and they are definitely lighter
> steel
> > than the syncro rims but they are used on Mercedes wagons which are i
> > imagine close to 2 tons and being steel they are unlikely to just give
> way
> > in a catastrophic way.

If they are from a C class..............

Do you notice that our syncro wheels are different from 2WD? They are about 1mm thicker.

Anyway there are legalities here (in Australia) A guy in QLD from another forum was booked in his Holden ute.









> >
> > I checked the taper shape against the nuts and there is a good area of
> > steel contacting plus 2 nuts were sufficient to locate all of the
> studs
> > centrally in the holes when finger tightening on my first fitup.
> >

The VW wheel nuts have a 14mm ball taper and the MB have a 12mm ball taper.
I use aftermarket MB wheels with a 12mm ball taper so I had special nuts made. 14mm thread and 12mm taper. I then checked them with bearing blue to make sure of a good contact surface. This is with a machined mag wheel, where a steel wheel may not be as bad. You would have to check.
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Gday Les, Tony and All,

This is interesting.

Just so happens a previous owner of my syncro back in 1992 fitted a set
of five Mercedes 124 400 0602 6Jx15H2 ET49 steel rims.

They have been used ever since that year by subsequent owners, including
myself, they still are undamaged. Fully laden, my Trakka syncro is in
excess of 2.5 tons.

I compared the lug nuts that the previous owner had made for these rims
as opposed to the stock VW lug nuts and in the end, I decided the VW lug
nuts were a better fit and stronger. No doubt that should be looked at
on a case by case basis.

Some time ago Les, you gave me the method for measuring the ET, which I
did for these Merc rims stamped ET49. The result I got was ET31.

I can confirm Les's methodology is correct because I also measured the
original syncro 14" steel rims and came up with ET30.

As I have said previously, when offroad during suspension travel on
either lock, the 15" Goodyear Wrangler AT/R tyres rub and wear away the
black plastic trim at the rear of the wheel arch, I tend to think this
has something to do with the fact these tyres are larger in diameter
(706mm worn) than for example 15" BFG A/T tyres (700mm new), which I
will be installing later and they should reduce or eliminate this
rubbing. Other than the above minor quibble, with these Mercedes rims
marked ET49, I have had no running problems elsewhere at all.

Begs the question, as these 15" Merc rims are stamped ET49, how come
they measure ET31?

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Tony.
>
> ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset. Why in the
world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
>
> And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonyricketts99
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H
>
17
Hi Ken
 
I have also fitted the Merc rims and have put BF Goodrich A/T tyres. These tyres are wider than the original VW and I have had problems when loading the spare tyre. Do you know if your spare tyre cradle has been extended to cope with the wider tyre?
 
Regards Barry
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Gday Les, Tony and All,

This is interesting.

Just so happens a previous owner of my syncro back in 1992 fitted a set
of five Mercedes 124 400 0602 6Jx15H2 ET49 steel rims.

They have been used ever since that year by subsequent owners, including
myself, they still are undamaged. Fully laden, my Trakka syncro is in
excess of 2.5 tons.

I compared the lug nuts that the previous owner had made for these rims
as opposed to the stock VW lug nuts and in the end, I decided the VW lug
nuts were a better fit and stronger. No doubt that should be looked at
on a case by case basis.

Some time ago Les, you gave me the method for measuring the ET, which I
did for these Merc rims stamped ET49. The result I got was ET31.

I can confirm Les's methodology is correct because I also measured the
original syncro 14" steel rims and came up with ET30.

As I have said previously, when offroad during suspension travel on
either lock, the 15" Goodyear Wrangler AT/R tyres rub and wear away the
black plastic trim at the rear of the wheel arch, I tend to think this
has something to do with the fact these tyres are larger in diameter
(706mm worn) than for example 15" BFG A/T tyres (700mm new), which I
will be installing later and they should reduce or eliminate this
rubbing. Other than the above minor quibble, with these Mercedes rims
marked ET49, I have had no running problems elsewhere at all.

Begs the question, as these 15" Merc rims are stamped ET49, how come
they measure ET31?

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Tony.
>
> ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset. Why in the
world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
>
> And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonyricketts99
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H
>

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My Merc rims have the following numbers on them:

6J X 15 ET 31
ME 515004
202 400 0002

They also have the 95 on there which could be a date.

Hopefully they are ET 31 after Ken's measuring. With brand new BFGs on there is a slight buzzing noise on full lock indicating they are rubbing somewhere but it such a slight touch i haven't got round to checking what is rubbing.

The tyres are a bit noisy at slower speeds but fine at cruising speeds.

Cheers
Gary

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On 27/02/2009, at 7:59 PM, Barry & Di Pickering wrote:


Hi Ken
 
I have also fitted the Merc rims and have put BF Goodrich A/T tyres. These tyres are wider than the original VW and I have had problems when loading the spare tyre. Do you know if your spare tyre cradle has been extended to cope with the wider tyre?
 
Regards Barry
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Wanted two 15inch steel wheels


Gday Les, Tony and All,

This is interesting.

Just so happens a previous owner of my syncro back in 1992 fitted a set
of five Mercedes 124 400 0602 6Jx15H2 ET49 steel rims.

They have been used ever since that year by subsequent owners, including
myself, they still are undamaged. Fully laden, my Trakka syncro is in
excess of 2.5 tons.

I compared the lug nuts that the previous owner had made for these rims
as opposed to the stock VW lug nuts and in the end, I decided the VW lug
nuts were a better fit and stronger. No doubt that should be looked at
on a case by case basis.

Some time ago Les, you gave me the method for measuring the ET, which I
did for these Merc rims stamped ET49. The result I got was ET31.

I can confirm Les's methodology is correct because I also measured the
original syncro 14" steel rims and came up with ET30.

As I have said previously, when offroad during suspension travel on
either lock, the 15" Goodyear Wrangler AT/R tyres rub and wear away the
black plastic trim at the rear of the wheel arch, I tend to think this
has something to do with the fact these tyres are larger in diameter
(706mm worn) than for example 15" BFG A/T tyres (700mm new), which I
will be installing later and they should reduce or eliminate this
rubbing. Other than the above minor quibble, with these Mercedes rims
marked ET49, I have had no running problems elsewhere at all.

Begs the question, as these 15" Merc rims are stamped ET49, how come
they measure ET31?

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Tony.
>
> ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset. Why in the
world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
>
> And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tonyricketts99
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
> Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H
>



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Gday Barry,

Concerning the ability to successfully fit a 215 75 15" wheel into the
Oz type stock wheel carrier underneath (NOT USA round clamshell), I
covered this topic here on a previous occasion, please refer to post
#3791 for the details, confirming the above size wheel in BFG A/T fits.

Clearly the only compromise is that it has to be deflated. We all carry
a tyre pump as a matter of course ... yes? Functionally, the spare
should be where it was designed to be, clearly a rear tyre carrier
upsets the natural balance over both axles, tends to be an undesired
high expense item and gets in the way a lot ... better to be without it
altogether in my view, unless you want to carry 2 spares.

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Barry & Di Pickering"
<dbpickering@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken
>
> I have also fitted the Merc rims and have put BF Goodrich A/T tyres.
These tyres are wider than the original VW and I have had problems when
loading the spare tyre. Do you know if your spare tyre cradle has been
extended to cope with the wider tyre?
>
> Regards Barry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:00 AM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
>
>
>
> Gday Les, Tony and All,
>
> This is interesting.
>
> Just so happens a previous owner of my syncro back in 1992 fitted a
set
> of five Mercedes 124 400 0602 6Jx15H2 ET49 steel rims.
>
> They have been used ever since that year by subsequent owners,
including
> myself, they still are undamaged. Fully laden, my Trakka syncro is in
> excess of 2.5 tons.
>
> I compared the lug nuts that the previous owner had made for these
rims
> as opposed to the stock VW lug nuts and in the end, I decided the VW
lug
> nuts were a better fit and stronger. No doubt that should be looked at
> on a case by case basis.
>
> Some time ago Les, you gave me the method for measuring the ET, which
I
> did for these Merc rims stamped ET49. The result I got was ET31.
>
> I can confirm Les's methodology is correct because I also measured the
> original syncro 14" steel rims and came up with ET30.
>
> As I have said previously, when offroad during suspension travel on
> either lock, the 15" Goodyear Wrangler AT/R tyres rub and wear away
the
> black plastic trim at the rear of the wheel arch, I tend to think this
> has something to do with the fact these tyres are larger in diameter
> (706mm worn) than for example 15" BFG A/T tyres (700mm new), which I
> will be installing later and they should reduce or eliminate this
> rubbing. Other than the above minor quibble, with these Mercedes rims
> marked ET49, I have had no running problems elsewhere at all.
>
> Begs the question, as these 15" Merc rims are stamped ET49, how come
> they measure ET31?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
> leslieharris@ wrote:
> >
> > Tony.
> >
> > ET 49 is a very, very long way off the correct offset. Why in the
> world do you want wheels that are so far off the design specs?
> >
> > And did you receive the CD's that I sent?
> >
> > Les
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tonyricketts99
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:26 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wanted two 15inch steel wheels
> >
> >
> > Wanted two 15inch steel wheels 6J H2 ET49 124 400 0602 New or S/H
> >
>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyone.net> wrote:
My Merc rims have the following numbers on them:

6J X 15 ET 31
ME 515004
202 400 0002
Gary,
The first 3 digits in the part number usually tells you which series the part was first used. In your case, the wheels appear to come from the W202 series of Mercedes cars. I am interpreting this correctly, those wheels would be from a C-class or 190 class car from 1993 and later.
Cheers,
BenT