Wheels/Tyres

Hi all,
After much deliberation I am now the proud owner of one of Rodger Bells Syncros.I have not as yet seen the vehicle but from all reports and videos ,the vehicle is in excellent condition.(Rodger has sent me a few videos and photos of every nut and bolt)
I live in Perth and will have it transported up and should have it in about 3 weeks as Rodger is busy bulking up his frame on a bicycle ride
The vehicle has the standard 2.1 motor with 14" wheels and would like to go larger - 15" or 16" and also raise it - New springs or spacers ? What brand and size of tyre ?
I nearly acquired Pete Wilsons machine but he has decide to hang on to it - can't fault you for that Pete - will pop in to see you when I go East.

All advice will be appreciated
Regards
Philippe
Well done Philippe,
 
Welcome to the fun world of syncro ownership.
 
Cheers,
 
Skot
 
----- Original Message -----
From: philtyack
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:23 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

 

Hi all,
After much deliberation I am now the proud owner of one of Rodger Bells Syncros.I have not as yet seen the vehicle but from all reports and videos ,the vehicle is in excellent condition.(Rodger has sent me a few videos and photos of every nut and bolt)
I live in Perth and will have it transported up and should have it in about 3 weeks as Rodger is busy bulking up his frame on a bicycle ride
The vehicle has the standard 2.1 motor with 14" wheels and would like to go larger - 15" or 16" and also raise it - New springs or spacers ? What brand and size of tyre ?
I nearly acquired Pete Wilsons machine but he has decide to hang on to it - can't fault you for that Pete - will pop in to see you when I go East.

All advice will be appreciated
Regards
Philippe

Congratulations, it's a nice syncro.

Mefro wheels are available in 15" or 16". For off road you can't beat the BFG AT which is available in 215/75x15. For more on road Yokohama or Toyos. Although Yokohama are not available 15".

Phill



> philtyack <philtyack@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> After much deliberation I am now the proud owner of one of Rodger Bells
> Syncros.I have not as yet seen the vehicle but from all reports and
> videos ,the vehicle is in excellent condition.(Rodger has sent me a few
> videos and photos of every nut and bolt)
> I live in Perth and will have it transported up and should have it in
> about 3 weeks as Rodger is busy bulking up his frame on a bicycle ride
> The vehicle has the standard 2.1 motor with 14" wheels and would like to
> go larger - 15" or 16" and also raise it - New springs or spacers ? What
> brand and size of tyre ?
> I nearly acquired Pete Wilsons machine but he has decide to hang on to
> it - can't fault you for that Pete - will pop in to see you when I go
> East.
>
> All advice will be appreciated
> Regards
> Philippe

Philippe,

Good choice, particularly since it is a known Syncro.

I would suggest that you curb your enthusiasm to change anything until you have received the Syncro and thoroughly tested it in a variety of conditions, including bush tracks.

It is common for a lot of new owners to assume that they can ‘improve’ the Syncro before they have any idea of what a bog standard Syncro is capable of.

The standard Syncro is a highly capable vehicle as originally designed.  It was designed as a multi purpose vehicle that will go just about anywhere that any sane person would like to take it and it will do it in comfort and safety.  It will also go a lot of places that “real” four wheel drives can’t cope with.  Please be mindful of the fact that where any off road vehicle will go is determined more by driving ability than anything else. 

It has very good arrival and departure angles, it has a very good ramp over height, it has a G gear that will get you up any incline that one would sensibly need to climb, it has a very controllable descent rate thanks to the viscous coupling, it has a perfect weight distribution laden or unladen, and much more.

If you need confirmation of what standard Syncros will do, dig into the archives and look at the pictures of the trip to the extreme north of Cape York .

The Syncro was not designed to rush up moraines at 50kph whilst grossing 4 tonnes.  If that’s what you want to do, you have bought the wrong vehicle.  You need a Pinzgauer at least!

The only beneficial change to the Syncro is one driven not by its abilities – or perceived lack of them – but by tyre availability.  As Phill has mentioned, about the best tyre for the Syncro is the B F Goodrich All Terrain.  It was available in 14” and has a gripping ability well beyond the driving skills of most people.  Unfortunately, BFG have stopped making 14” but mercifully still make the 15”.

Therefore, to be able to use what most of us regard as the best tyre for the Syncro, you will need 15” wheels.  There are some good alloys available that have the required load rating and the correct offset.

So, before you rush in to ‘improve’ anything, first establish what it can do and what actually needs ‘improving’.   You can expect to be very surprised.  

Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of philtyack
Sent: 26 November 2011 09:24
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

Hi all,
After much deliberation I am now the proud owner of one of Rodger Bells Syncros.I have not as yet seen the vehicle but from all reports and videos ,the vehicle is in excellent condition.(Rodger has sent me a few videos and photos of every nut and bolt)
I live in Perth and will have it transported up and should have it in about 3 weeks as Rodger is busy bulking up his frame on a bicycle ride
The vehicle has the standard 2.1 motor with 14" wheels and would like to go larger - 15" or 16" and also raise it - New springs or spacers ? What brand and size of tyre ?
I nearly acquired Pete Wilsons machine but he has decide to hang on to it - can't fault you for that Pete - will pop in to see you when I go East.

All advice will be appreciated
Regards
Philippe

> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> There are some good alloys available
> that have the required load rating and the correct offset.
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There is not a lot around at the moment Les.

Phill

True.  I should have been a bit more specific and added that they probably would have to be sourced from overseas.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 26 November 2011 12:43
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres


There is not a lot around at the moment Les.

Phill

Les,

I should have been a bit more specific and added that they are hard to get even from overseas now.

The sellers have NIS.

Phill



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet.com.au
> Sent: 26 November 2011 12:43
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres
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> There is not a lot around at the moment Les.
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> Phill
Mefro steel 15" ET30 ...

Mefro steel 14", 15", 16" ET30 (look under wheels)

Steel 15" ET25 ...

Alloy 15" ET40

Steel 15" 2nd hand Mercedes Benz rims in Australia ...
http://goodlucktryingtofindasetoffive

Ken







To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:46:05 +1100
Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

 

True.  I should have been a bit more specific and added that they probably would have to be sourced from overseas.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 26 November 2011 12:43
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres


There is not a lot around at the moment Les.

Phill


I'm thinking BFG All terrain tyres for my next set due to the good wrap they get here. What's road noise like ?

Mark

Mark,

The road noise is very reasonable due to the fact that they use variable block widths.  Tyres that use uniform block widths set up a harmonic with the road surface and this is the principal source of the roar they generate.

The BFG’s also have a feature found on very few other tyres.  They have a rim protector.  The sidewall of the tyre has a reinforced section that projects out over the rim bead and makes a substantial contribution to avoiding rim pinch.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mark
Sent: 27 November 2011 17:05
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheels
/Tyres 

I'm thinking BFG All terrain tyres for my next set due to the good wrap they get here. What's road noise like ?

Mark

Thx for all the info - What is the averagee price for a BFG A/T 215/70/15
I believe it would be cheaper to import a set?

Philippe
In the latest VW magazine Rudi (07 340866690) has a decoupler advertised

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Philippe Tyack
Mobile:+61450059162
Philippe,
The only available 15" BFG All-Terrain T/A tyre is LT215/75R 15/C. Not 70.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: philtyack@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:59:06 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

 
Thx for all the info - What is the averagee price for a BFG A/T 215/70/15
I believe it would be cheaper to import a set?

Philippe


Correction ..... there is also an LT235/75R/ 15/C. Too wide in my view.
Ken.

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:30:12 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

 

Philippe,
The only available 15" BFG All-Terrain T/A tyre is LT215/75R 15/C. Not 70.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: philtyack@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:59:06 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheels/Tyres

 
Thx for all the info - What is the averagee price for a BFG A/T 215/70/15
I believe it would be cheaper to import a set?

Philippe



They are 215/75x15.

Doubtful if it would cheaper and they may not be legal.



> philtyack <philtyack@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I believe it would be cheaper to import a set?
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> Philippe
Hi Philippe,
Congratulations on finding you Syncro.
I have The 14 in BFG All Terrain on my ex Telstra van and 15in Firestone 205/75r 15 on the Trakka
. The Firestone Made in NZ is 8 ply and BF Made in USA 6 ?

The 14 is standard 14 in steel rim and the 15 in mag is standard Trakka mag.

I believe the trakka mag is fitted to all 2wd that ordered mags and therefore you could possibly source these from a 2wd camper? any comment on this option is welcomed ?????

However the nut setup is wrong in my opinion and these mags should be fitted with the longer stud kit as the first time i removed them all to check breakes etc the nuts appeared to break on removal and refit process about 3 from memory. However the van came with a bag of spare nuts so i believe this problem arose prior therefore the bag of spare nuts.
On close examination the stud only tightens on the sleve of the nut and is not long enough to get purchase on the hex part ??? This causes it to fail and neatly crack perfectly where the hex meets the shank.
Has anyone else noticed this and if so what did you do ?????

Both these tyres fit in the spare carrier however i think you may have to modify the spare carrier a bit to get a 15 in BFG into it but im not sure.
My pref is the Firestone tyre as it is not quite as chunky as the BFG and i think a bit quieter on the road.
Happy Traveling and look foward to your visit when you get to SE Qld

Best Regards Pete

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I need to see what your nuts look like.

It sounds like the old style round shaft type with a washer. Is that correct?

Phill


> However the nut setup is wrong in my opinion and these mags should be
> fitted with the longer stud kit as the first time i removed them all to
> check breakes etc the nuts appeared to break on removal and refit
> process about 3 from memory. However the van came with a bag of spare
> nuts so i believe this problem arose prior therefore the bag of spare
> nuts.
> On close examination the stud only tightens on the sleve of the nut and
> is not long enough to get purchase on the hex part ??? This causes it to
> fail and neatly crack perfectly where the hex meets the shank.
> Has anyone else noticed this and if so what did you do ?????
Hi Phillipe,

I have the Firestone tyres as well on Mefro rims. Was surprised at how quiet they are on the asphalt (although I haven't done a comparison with the BFGs). The added bonus is that they do fit into the spare tyre holder too. The quality of the Firestones has apparently gone right up, following law suits in the US a number of years ago. There was not a lot of stock remaining in the 15-inch size when I bought mine a year ago, however.

Francesca.

On 28 November 2011 10:14, Anette <peterw1000@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Philippe,
Congratulations on finding you Syncro.
I have The 14 in BFG All Terrain on my ex Telstra van and 15in Firestone 205/75r 15 on the Trakka
. The Firestone Made in NZ is 8 ply and BF Made in USA 6 ?

The 14 is standard 14 in steel rim and the 15 in mag is standard Trakka mag.

I believe the trakka mag is fitted to all 2wd that ordered mags and therefore you could possibly source these from a 2wd camper? any comment on this option is welcomed ?????

However the nut setup is wrong in my opinion and these mags should be fitted with the longer stud kit as the first time i removed them all to check breakes etc the nuts appeared to break on removal and refit process about 3 from memory. However the van came with a bag of spare nuts so i believe this problem arose prior therefore the bag of spare nuts.
On close examination the stud only tightens on the sleve of the nut and is not long enough to get purchase on the hex part ??? This causes it to fail and neatly crack perfectly where the hex meets the shank.
Has anyone else noticed this and if so what did you do ?????

Both these tyres fit in the spare carrier however i think you may have to modify the spare carrier a bit to get a 15 in BFG into it but im not sure.
My pref is the Firestone tyre as it is not quite as chunky as the BFG and i think a bit quieter on the road.
Happy Traveling and look foward to your visit when you get to SE Qld

Best Regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
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Phill, Yes they have a rounded top or cap however the mag when placed on the hub only allows about 2 threads to clear the hole for the shank. Perhaps there are thinner washers and this would get 3 more threads into the hex ?
Its actually that the stud does not make it out far enough to purchase into the hex part of the nut so dont think it would matter what nut you used it would still not reach the hex so only relying on the shank???????? In a bag from burwin volkswagen Regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
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Goodness, that lawsuit was from a decade ago. They are owned by Japanese Bridgestone now. 


BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Phillipe,

I have the Firestone tyres as well on Mefro rims. Was surprised at how quiet they are on the asphalt (although I haven't done a comparison with the BFGs). The added bonus is that they do fit into the spare tyre holder too. The quality of the Firestones has apparently gone right up, following law suits in the US a number of years ago. There was not a lot of stock remaining in the 15-inch size when I bought mine a year ago, however.  

Francesca.

On 28 November 2011 10:14, Anette <peterw1000@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Hi Philippe,
Congratulations on finding you Syncro.
I have The 14 in BFG All Terrain on my ex Telstra van and 15in Firestone 205/75r 15 on the Trakka
. The Firestone Made in NZ is 8 ply and BF Made in USA 6 ?

The 14 is standard 14 in steel rim and the 15 in mag is standard Trakka mag.

I believe the trakka mag is fitted to all 2wd that ordered mags and therefore you could possibly source these from a 2wd camper? any comment on this option is welcomed ?????

However the nut setup is wrong in my opinion and these mags should be fitted with the longer stud kit as the first time i removed them all to check breakes etc the nuts appeared to break on removal and refit process about 3 from memory. However the van came with a bag of spare nuts so i believe this problem arose prior therefore the bag of spare nuts.
On close examination the stud only tightens on the sleve of the nut and is not long enough to get purchase on the hex part ??? This causes it to fail and neatly crack perfectly where the hex meets the shank.
Has anyone else noticed this and if so what did you do ?????

Both these tyres fit in the spare carrier however i think you may have to modify the spare carrier a bit to get a 15 in BFG into it but im not sure.
My pref is the Firestone tyre as it is not quite as chunky as the BFG and i think a bit quieter on the road.
Happy Traveling and look foward to your visit when you get to SE Qld

Best Regards Pete

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> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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