Which driveshaft decoupler?

41
Thanks Greg,
By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
>
> Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive. Greg E
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@...
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
>
>  
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> A couple of points re the EJ25 - 
>
> 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev! 
>
> 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD when towing.
>
> Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all installed, good luck!
>
> Bob Turnbull
>     
>
42
Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.

hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >
> > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >
> > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >
> > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> when towing.
> >
> > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> installed, good luck!
> >
> > Bob Turnbull
> > Â Â Â
> >
>
43
Heh Guys,   happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M  but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck,  one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....

For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
Hart


On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:

 

Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.

hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >
> > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >
> > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >
> > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> when towing.
> >
> > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> installed, good luck!
> >
> > Bob Turnbull
> > Â Â Â
> >
>


44
Thanks Skot,

Very handy.
Thanks also for the picture from your long weekend trip - I must revisit.

Cheers,
Theo


At 07:34 PM 12/06/2013, you wrote:
 

Hi all,

Just found this tyre size comparison between the 235 x 75 x 15 tyres
(which I have) compared to the 30 x 9.5 x 15 tyres I noticed Paul has on
his syncro.

They look the same size but clearly there is a bit of difference -
particularly the side walls.

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=235-75r15-30-9.5r15

Very interesting the minor differences and what it means in relation to
the speedo readings.

Cheers,

Skot

45
Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
He's done a few now 
He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

Heh Guys,   happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M  but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck,  one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....

For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
Hart


On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:

 

Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.

hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >
> > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >
> > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >
> > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> when towing.
> >
> > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> installed, good luck!
> >
> > Bob Turnbull
> > Â Â Â
> >
>


46
Who the heck needs a syncro when you could have had one of these .....


.... eat ya heart out guys!

Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:37:54 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?

 

Heh Guys,   happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M  but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck,  one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....

For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
Hart


On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:

 
Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.

hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >
> > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >
> > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >
> > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> when towing.
> >
> > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> installed, good luck!
> >
> > Bob Turnbull
> > Â Â Â
> >
>




47
Hi Hamish,
That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
Cheers, Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@...> wrote:
>
> Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
> He's done a few now
> He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
> >
> > For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
> > Hart
> >
> >
> > On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> >> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
> >>
> >> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
> >> BenC
> >>
> >> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> >> > $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> >> > old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> >> > at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> >> > take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> >> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> >> > of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> >> > run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> >> > torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> >> > modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> >> > detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> >> > drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> >> > drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> >> > to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> >> > Greg E
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> >> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> >> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >> > >
> >> > > Â
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Bruce,
> >> > >
> >> > > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> >> > good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> >> > and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> >> > overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> >> > of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> >> > load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> >> > spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> >> > when towing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> >> > installed, good luck!
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob Turnbull
> >> > > Â Â Â
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
48
I was going to use a 2.8 12v but the longer I looked the more the km the swap motor had - I couldn't see the point. I spent close to 10 k on my MV stroker and still not that impressed for daily driving. Great off road at 1000 rpm!!!

I had purchased a adapter plate / flywheel / clutch from Sherman for the 2.8 after speaking to Paul.

I currently have a 2.4 MV motor it gets 16l/100km and in town as a daily driver I'm disappointed with its drivability/ecu efficiency down low.

Hence the decision to acquire a 2008 r32 24 V vr6 for 6k with 60k km on the clock. I'm hoping its more efficient in town from a engine management point of view and then on the hwy a little more able.

I will be acquiring heavy duty albins 3/4 gears and getting a full drive live rebuild and I shall be installing a external oil pump / cooler recirculation circuit to maintain a improved transmission temperature.

Currently with my 2.4 I'm my specs are:
244 mm of tyres (22575r16)
Diff 6.17:1
Stock 1,2&3 gears + diesel 0.78 Vw forth.
Although I have increase swept engine capacity - the additions weight of a full camper and 16 l / 100....
Hence my path forward.

Yes u need a raised engine cover but my Westfalia rear bed sits 100 mm proud any way and all I currently store there is two collapsible chairs and anything extra that I dread removing when I need to get to my engine.

The fuel economy is poor now.
It will be poor with a vr6
It will always be poor because my Syncro resembles a big brick on wheels.

I simply wish to enjoy driving it a bit more.

Hamish

Sent from my iPhone

On 13/06/2013, at 5:33 PM, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Hamish,
> That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
> Cheers, Bruce.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@...> wrote:
>>
>> Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
>> He's done a few now
>> He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
>>>
>>> For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
>>> Hart
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
>>>>
>>>> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
>>>> BenC
>>>>
>>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
>>>>> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
>>>>> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
>>>>> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
>>>>> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
>>>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
>>>>> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
>>>>> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
>>>>> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
>>>>> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
>>>>> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
>>>>> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
>>>>> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
>>>>> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
>>>>> Greg E
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
>>>>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
>>>>> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
>>>>> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
>>>>> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
>>>>> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
>>>>> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
>>>>> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
>>>>> when towing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
>>>>> installed, good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Turnbull
>>>>>> Â Â Â
>
>
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49
Thanks Hamish, hope you get more joy with the R32.
Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@...> wrote:
>
> I was going to use a 2.8 12v but the longer I looked the more the km the swap motor had - I couldn't see the point. I spent close to 10 k on my MV stroker and still not that impressed for daily driving. Great off road at 1000 rpm!!!
>
> I had purchased a adapter plate / flywheel / clutch from Sherman for the 2.8 after speaking to Paul.
>
> I currently have a 2.4 MV motor it gets 16l/100km and in town as a daily driver I'm disappointed with its drivability/ecu efficiency down low.
>
> Hence the decision to acquire a 2008 r32 24 V vr6 for 6k with 60k km on the clock. I'm hoping its more efficient in town from a engine management point of view and then on the hwy a little more able.
>
> I will be acquiring heavy duty albins 3/4 gears and getting a full drive live rebuild and I shall be installing a external oil pump / cooler recirculation circuit to maintain a improved transmission temperature.
>
> Currently with my 2.4 I'm my specs are:
> 244 mm of tyres (22575r16)
> Diff 6.17:1
> Stock 1,2&3 gears + diesel 0.78 Vw forth.
> Although I have increase swept engine capacity - the additions weight of a full camper and 16 l / 100....
> Hence my path forward.
>
> Yes u need a raised engine cover but my Westfalia rear bed sits 100 mm proud any way and all I currently store there is two collapsible chairs and anything extra that I dread removing when I need to get to my engine.
>
> The fuel economy is poor now.
> It will be poor with a vr6
> It will always be poor because my Syncro resembles a big brick on wheels.
>
> I simply wish to enjoy driving it a bit more.
>
> Hamish
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/06/2013, at 5:33 PM, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hamish,
> > That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
> > Cheers, Bruce.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
> >> He's done a few now
> >> He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
> >>>
> >>> For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
> >>> Hart
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
> >>>>
> >>>> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
> >>>> BenC
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> >>>>> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> >>>>> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> >>>>> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> >>>>> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> >>>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> >>>>> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> >>>>> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> >>>>> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> >>>>> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> >>>>> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> >>>>> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> >>>>> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> >>>>> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> >>>>> Greg E
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> >>>>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Â
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Bruce,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> >>>>> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> >>>>> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> >>>>> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> >>>>> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> >>>>> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> >>>>> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> >>>>> when towing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> >>>>> installed, good luck!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob Turnbull
> >>>>>> Â Â Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
50
I have already enjoyed a r32 / I fitted a turbo to my mk5 and I love it:)

I think that is why I'm partial to the vr6

Sent from my iPhone

On 13/06/2013, at 9:53 PM, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Thanks Hamish, hope you get more joy with the R32.
> Bruce.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@...> wrote:
>>
>> I was going to use a 2.8 12v but the longer I looked the more the km the swap motor had - I couldn't see the point. I spent close to 10 k on my MV stroker and still not that impressed for daily driving. Great off road at 1000 rpm!!!
>>
>> I had purchased a adapter plate / flywheel / clutch from Sherman for the 2.8 after speaking to Paul.
>>
>> I currently have a 2.4 MV motor it gets 16l/100km and in town as a daily driver I'm disappointed with its drivability/ecu efficiency down low.
>>
>> Hence the decision to acquire a 2008 r32 24 V vr6 for 6k with 60k km on the clock. I'm hoping its more efficient in town from a engine management point of view and then on the hwy a little more able.
>>
>> I will be acquiring heavy duty albins 3/4 gears and getting a full drive live rebuild and I shall be installing a external oil pump / cooler recirculation circuit to maintain a improved transmission temperature.
>>
>> Currently with my 2.4 I'm my specs are:
>> 244 mm of tyres (22575r16)
>> Diff 6.17:1
>> Stock 1,2&3 gears + diesel 0.78 Vw forth.
>> Although I have increase swept engine capacity - the additions weight of a full camper and 16 l / 100....
>> Hence my path forward.
>>
>> Yes u need a raised engine cover but my Westfalia rear bed sits 100 mm proud any way and all I currently store there is two collapsible chairs and anything extra that I dread removing when I need to get to my engine.
>>
>> The fuel economy is poor now.
>> It will be poor with a vr6
>> It will always be poor because my Syncro resembles a big brick on wheels.
>>
>> I simply wish to enjoy driving it a bit more.
>>
>> Hamish
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 13/06/2013, at 5:33 PM, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hamish,
>>> That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
>>> Cheers, Bruce.
>>>
>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
>>>> He's done a few now
>>>> He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
>>>>>
>>>>> For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
>>>>> Hart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
>>>>>> BenC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
>>>>>>> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
>>>>>>> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
>>>>>>> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
>>>>>>> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
>>>>>>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
>>>>>>> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
>>>>>>> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
>>>>>>> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
>>>>>>> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
>>>>>>> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
>>>>>>> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
>>>>>>> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
>>>>>>> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
>>>>>>> Greg E
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
>>>>>>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
>>>>>>> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
>>>>>>> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
>>>>>>> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
>>>>>>> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
>>>>>>> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
>>>>>>> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
>>>>>>> when towing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
>>>>>>> installed, good luck!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Turnbull
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
51
Hi Bruce How are you going to work your speedo? are you staying with the original instrument?
Alf

From: bruce.morphett <bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Golf VR6
 
Hi Hamish,
That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
Cheers, Bruce.

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, HamishD <dobson_hamish@...> wrote:
>
> Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
> He's done a few now
> He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
> >
> > For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
> > Hart
> >
> >
> > On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> >> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
> >>
> >> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
> >> BenC
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> >> > $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> >> > old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> >> > at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> >> > take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> >> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> >> > of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> >> > run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> >> > torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> >> > modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> >> > detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> >> > drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> >> > drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> >> > to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> >> > Greg E
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> >> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> >> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >> > >
> >> > > Â
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Bruce,
> >> > >
> >> > > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> >> > good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> >> > and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> >> > overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> >> > of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> >> > load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> >> > spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> >> > when towing.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> >> > installed, good luck!
> >> > >
> >> > > Bob Turnbull
> >> > > Â Â Â
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

52
Hi Alf,
My plan is to go to an Subie EJ25, hopefully in the next 12 months. Not sure, but I prefer to stay with the original. Not aware of any need to change. Cheers, Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, alf ando wrote:
>
> Hi Bruce How are you going to work your speedo? are you staying with the original instrument?
> Alf
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bruce.morphett bruce.morphett@...
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:03 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Golf VR6
>
>  
>
> Hi Hamish,
> That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit?
> Cheers, Bruce.
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, HamishD dobson_hamish@ wrote:
> >
> > Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6.
> > He's done a few now
> > He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut hartis@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....
> > >
> > > For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
> > > Hart
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:
> > >
> > >> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.
> > >>
> > >> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
> > >> BenC
> > >>
> > >> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> > >> > $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> > >> > old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> > >> > at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> > >> > take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> > >> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> > >> > of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> > >> > run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> > >> > torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> > >> > modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> > >> > detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> > >> > drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> > >> > drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> > >> > to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> > >> > Greg E
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ________________________________
> > >> > > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > >> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > >> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Â
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi Bruce,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> > >> > good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> > >> > and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> > >> > overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> > >> > of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> > >> > load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> > >> > spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> > >> > when towing.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> > >> > installed, good luck!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bob Turnbull
> > >> > > Â Â Â
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
53
At around 250k km its of a lot of mech experience that the rings be replaced on your MV.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

Heh Guys,   happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M  but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck,  one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link....

For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ??
Hart


On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote:

 

Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.

hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" <bruce.morphett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me
> $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my
> old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too
> at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't
> take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote:
> >
> > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary
> of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to
> run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high
> torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a
> modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your
> detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then
> drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final
> drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes
> to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive.Â
> Greg E
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > A couple of points re the EJ25 -Â
> >
> > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a
> good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads
> and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of
> overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!Â
> >
> > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power
> of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the
> load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra
> spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD
> when towing.
> >
> > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all
> installed, good luck!
> >
> > Bob Turnbull
> > Â Â Â
> >
>


54
So how is fitting a R32

From: bruce.morphett <bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Golf VR6
 
Hi Alf,
My plan is to go to an Subie EJ25, hopefully in the next 12 months. Not sure, but I prefer to stay with the original. Not aware of any need to change. Cheers, Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, alf ando wrote: > > Hi Bruce How are you going to work your speedo? are you staying with the original instrument? > Alf > > > ________________________________ > From: bruce.morphett bruce.morphett@... > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:03 PM > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Golf VR6 > >   > > Hi Hamish, > That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit? > Cheers, Bruce. > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, HamishD dobson_hamish@ wrote: > > > > Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6. > > He's done a few now > > He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut hartis@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link.... > > > > > > For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ?? > > > Hart > > > > > > > > > On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote: > > > > > >> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!. > > >> > > >> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you. > > >> BenC > > >> > > >> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me > > >> > $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my > > >> > old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too > > >> > at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't > > >> > take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce. > > >> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary > > >> > of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to > > >> > run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high > > >> > torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a > > >> > modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your > > >> > detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then > > >> > drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final > > >> > drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes > > >> > to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive. > > >> > Greg E > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ________________________________ > > >> > > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@ > > >> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM > > >> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler? > >
>> > > > > >> > >  > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi Bruce, > > >> > > > > >> > > A couple of points re the EJ25 - > > >> > > > > >> > > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a > > >> > good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads > > >> > and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of > > >> > overgearing - the Subi loves to rev! > > >> > > > > >> > > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power > > >> > of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the > > >> > load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling
plates and the extra > > >> > spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD > > >> > when towing. > > >> > > > > >> > > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all > > >> > installed, good luck! > > >> > > > > >> > > Bob Turnbull > > >> > > Â Â Â > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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My eta for fire up will be in next 6 months. 

The engine is 1000  km away at my holiday home at Bribie so its a slow project. 

I haves business in mackay and its hard to leave it.

Onmy last holiday it took me 8 days to work our what was stopping the engine to fire up and then once sorted I  removed the engine engine and dsg gearbox. I have a copy of a solid works cad file from a guy in the USA who fitted a 2.8 into a doka. I am going to get it profile cut and fabricated and then on my next holidays I shall make up a custom exhaust my self around the mount. The adapter plate from Sherman requires modification as its designed for a 2.8 vr6. I also need to get a Mk4 ecu reflashed to remove the immobiliser, and and air bag functionality in the states. Additionally the thermostat will require remote relocation to clear the fire wall and also the engine lid will require a raised section.

That's why I'm planning aprox 12 months for my Kimberly trip.

Still trying to sort out my 24 v solar set up too.

Hamish

Then I will drive with my current gear box and then rudi shall rebuild it with my desired 3/4 gear ratios ect.

Sent from my iPhone

On 15/06/2013, at 6:11 PM, alf ando <dansk53bus@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

So how is fitting a R32

From: bruce.morphett <bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Golf VR6
 
Hi Alf,
My plan is to go to an Subie EJ25, hopefully in the next 12 months. Not sure, but I prefer to stay with the original. Not aware of any need to change. Cheers, Bruce.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, alf ando wrote: > > Hi Bruce How are you going to work your speedo? are you staying with the original instrument? > Alf > > > ________________________________ > From: bruce.morphett bruce.morphett@... > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:03 PM > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Golf VR6 > >   > > Hi Hamish, > That's interesting. What's your fuel economy like with the VR6 (I am assuming it's the 2.8L VR6 from a '90's Golf)? How does it fit in the engine bay & under the hatch? How does it go with the Syncro gearing or have you got higher 3rd &/or 4th to suit? > Cheers, Bruce. > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, HamishD dobson_hamish@ wrote: > > > > Paul muller is the specific man who persuaded me to switch to a vr6. > > He's done a few now > > He quoted aprox 13k drive in and drive away. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 13/06/2013, at 2:37 PM, Hartmut hartis@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Heh Guys, happy that there are still fellas around the sort of Paul M. and why would I change my beautiful MV for something else ?? It's done 400 000 clicks without a hitch other than a reservoir cover, some thermostats, fan belts etc...The first 15 yrs it has always been serviced once a year by M&M but finally the drive to them got a bit long (900ks return) and I became a bit slack and did the service as best as I could. When stuck, one of the M's normally got us going again via phone link.... > > > > > > For me the choice is MV , and btw , how many k's can I drive before having recouped the change- over investment ?? > > > Hart > > > > > > > > > On 12/06/2013, at 11:29 PM, Ben wrote: > > > > > >> Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!. > > >> > > >> hahahahahahahahah,ring and ask his brother see what he thinks,tell him I sent you. > > >> BenC > > >> > > >> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "bruce.morphett" wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Thanks Greg,By the way I spoke to Paul Muller yesterday & he quoted me > > >> > $1850 to supply & fit a decoupler. Sounds reasonable. Also he takes my > > >> > old nosecone. Mullers could be a good option for the trans rebuild too > > >> > at the same time. Paul sounds like a VW traditionalist though. He didn't > > >> > take to the idea of a Subaru donk in a T3 Syncro at all!.Bruce. > > >> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Bob you have hit the nail on the head here- "However I would be wary > > >> > of overgearing - the Subi loves to rev!" The way the Ej25 is set up to > > >> > run in late model subis (cams, FI, exhausts etc) is not to gain high > > >> > torque at low rpms. You compare the performance of this engine in a > > >> > modern car to this engine in a twenty year old flying brick at your > > >> > detriment. My advise would always be do the engine install first. Then > > >> > drive. If you think you want to change the ratio of a gear or final > > >> > drive mimic this by fitting tyres of the right OD. Pulling out gearboxes > > >> > to change ratios repeatedly can get very tiresome and expensive. > > >> > Greg E > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ________________________________ > > >> > > From: Robert Turnbull bobtau01@ > > >> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 12:24 AM > > >> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Which driveshaft decoupler? > > >> > > > > >> > >  > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi Bruce, > > >> > > > > >> > > A couple of points re the EJ25 - > > >> > > > > >> > > 1. I found with mine, the standard ratios and 215 X 75R15 tyres gave a > > >> > good balance between power and economy in 4th, but this was with loads > > >> > and towing a camper trailer sometimes. However I would be wary of > > >> > overgearing - the Subi loves to rev! > > >> > > > > >> > > 2. Partly because of the towing, but also because of the extra power > > >> > of the Subi, I found the gearbox suffered when the decoupler put all the > > >> > load on the rear wheels, so Rudi put the oiling plates and the extra > > >> > spider gears in mine when he rebuilt it, suggesting I leave it in 4WD > > >> > when towing. > > >> > > > > >> > > Anyway I am sure you will notice the difference when it is all > > >> > installed, good luck! > > >> > > > > >> > > Bob Turnbull > > >> > >    > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >