NSW Rip Off

81
Ken,

Does it have a code like PVW on your rego?

How do they know what to charge for CTP?


> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Peter,
>
> A salutary real life lesson indeed concerning the pitfalls of requiring
> engineering/blue slip compliance for whatever reasons, in particular for
> interstate purchases. Certainly a real win win finding the sticker eh.
> Begs the question ... what price a (removable) sticker??!! Guard it with
> your life!!
>
>
>
> So given your real life scenario dealing with gods gift to NSW .... the
> RTA, should my syncro not get buried with me, then the subsequent owner
> best be from NSW. For my Trakka syncro, I hold zero compliance evidence
> from Trakka, neither in documentary or sticker forms. I assume they have
> been lost/removed during prior ownerships. Seeking Trakka assistance now
> would be futile.
>
>
>
> For Trakka vans, it would be interesting to compare what level of
> vehicle detail is notated on the vehicles official Certificate of
> Registration. For example, on my Rego Certificate, there are NO
> notations concerning vehicle Model, Variant, GVM, GCN, Seating Capacity
> nor Axle Code. Maybe this demonstrates the RTA's efficiency/attention to
> detail?
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:52:09 +1000
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gentlemen. I feel compelled to complete the story of the saga with the
> RTA. I finally got hold of the owner of Suncamper the day before I was
> booked in to get an Engineers certificate. He had just returned from
> overseas. His name is Keith Harrison and he bought the company on 1
> April 1989. Still owns it. My Syncro was first registered on 1 March
> 1989. We had a good chat about the RTA (expletives deleted) and I told
> him about my hassles. I asked did he have any paperwork and of course
> the answer was no. He told me all about the modern practice of secondary
> compliance. Back in 1989 he remembers the previous owners had some sort
> of approval that he continued using for a few years. He suggested I have
> a look behind the curtains on the drivers side B pillar. Imagine my
> excitement when I found a sticker with a DMT approval number!!!!!! I
> have attached a photo.
>
>
> I stood over my Blue Slip man while he rang the Sydney RTA that
> afternoon and he got the go ahead. Saved myself $650, phew. Lucky though
> that it was done in NSW as he had a similar problem with a QLD camper
> which had QLD engineering approval and they would not accept that.
> Luckily mine was done in NSW before the Syncro was sent to Vic.
>
> After parting with $1200 for Rego, plates and stamp duty etc, I now have
> lovely NSW slim line plates.
>
> If you recall there was also the issue of whether it had factory air
> conditioning. Keith said that at this time he recalls they left Germany
> without it (hence no M number on the plate) but it was a factory
> supplied unit, installed in Sydney. This was, and still is a common
> practice. If you order a Ford Focus with a factory sun roof, the sun
> roof was most likely installed in Australia. So in my case. You could
> argue it has factory air conditioning. Perhaps a discussion point for
> the future. Hart recalls that a guy who worked next to his office in
> Brookvale did this sort of work on new cars every day.
>
> That���s all for now, Regards, Peter.
>
> PS. When I got home after getting this good news I sold my T3 for a very
> good price. The planets must have been aligned last Wednesday.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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82
Ken

I have the same issue - no documentation nor stickers. Not only is it an issue if the vehicle moves interstate, it is also an issue if the rego is let to lapse for over 3 months (ie, blue slip required like Peter just had to do).....

I've noticed over time some sellers simply let rego run out whilst they wait for a sale - if that extends beyond 3 months then that could be rather painful / expensive for the buyer.

Peter - well done on your research / finding the company owner after 20 years and then the RTA outcome!

Mark.

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Peter,
A salutary real life lesson indeed concerning the pitfalls of requiring engineering/blue slip compliance for whatever reasons, in particular for interstate purchases. Certainly a real win win finding the sticker eh. Begs the question ... what price a (removable) sticker??!! Guard it with your life!!

So given your real life scenario dealing with gods gift to NSW .... the RTA, should my syncro not get buried with me, then the subsequent owner best be from NSW. For my Trakka syncro, I hold zero compliance evidence from Trakka, neither in documentary or sticker forms. I assume they have been lost/removed during prior ownerships. Seeking Trakka assistance now would be futile.

For Trakka vans, it would be interesting to compare what level of vehicle detail is notated on the vehicles official Certificate of Registration. For example, on my Rego Certificate, there are NO notations concerning vehicle Model, Variant, GVM, GCN, Seating Capacity nor Axle Code. Maybe this demonstrates the RTA's efficiency/attention to detail?

Cheers.
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:52:09 +1000

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Gentlemen. I feel compelled to complete the story of the saga with the RTA. I finally got hold of the owner of Suncamper the day before I was booked in to get an Engineers certificate. He had just returned from overseas. His name is Keith Harrison and he bought the company on 1 April 1989. Still owns it. My Syncro was first registered on 1 March 1989. We had a good chat about the RTA (expletives deleted) and I told him about my hassles. I asked did he have any paperwork and of course the answer was no. He told me all about the modern practice of secondary compliance. Back in 1989 he remembers the previous owners had some sort of approval that he continued using for a few years. He suggested I have a look behind the curtains on the drivers side B pillar. Imagine my excitement when I found a sticker with a DMT approval number!!!!!! I have attached a photo.


I stood over my Blue Slip man while he rang the Sydney RTA that afternoon and he got the go ahead. Saved myself $650, phew. Lucky though that it was done in NSW as he had a similar problem with a QLD camper which had QLD engineering approval and they would not accept that. Luckily mine was done in NSW before the Syncro was sent to Vic.

After parting with $1200 for Rego, plates and stamp duty etc, I now have lovely NSW slim line plates.

If you recall there was also the issue of whether it had factory air conditioning. Keith said that at this time he recalls they left Germany without it (hence no M number on the plate) but it was a factory supplied unit, installed in Sydney. This was, and still is a common practice. If you order a Ford Focus with a factory sun roof, the sun roof was most likely installed in Australia. So in my case. You could argue it has factory air conditioning. Perhaps a discussion point for the future. Hart recalls that a guy who worked next to his office in Brookvale did this sort of work on new cars every day.

That’s all for now, Regards, Peter.

PS. When I got home after getting this good news I sold my T3 for a very good price. The planets must have been aligned last Wednesday.



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83
Mark, Peter and All,
 
Seems to me then for those with campervan conversions manufactured by RTA approved conversion builders at the time, this issue is crying out for greater clarity.
 
What exactly is important here?
 
Is it having in place the official conversion compliance sticker itself (afixed by whom? ... RTA or builder?) OR, knowing the definitive information provided on that sticker?
 
Is it possible that the conversion builder simply operated with an RTA license/permit that covered all approved "engineering" and "safety" components of a conversion for a particular model vehicle i.e., a VW T3? "Engineered" components would for example be poptops, rear seating and their fastenings, rear seat belts and their fastenings etc., and "safety" such as LPG gas.
 
If so, then perhaps all we need to know is the conversion builders "umbrella" licence/permit number and quote it when dealing with RTA, regardless of the presence or absence of the official (removable) sticker.
 
Otherwise, does the sticker have definitive information detailing approved components of the conversion in the form of codes?
 
Thoughts anyone? TIA.
Cheers.
Ken 
 
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: markkofahl@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:25:18 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 
Ken

I have the same issue - no documentation nor stickers. Not only is it an issue if the vehicle moves interstate, it is also an issue if the rego is let to lapse for over 3 months (ie, blue slip required like Peter just had to do).....

I've noticed over time some sellers simply let rego run out whilst they wait for a sale - if that extends beyond 3 months  then that could be rather painful / expensive for the buyer.

Peter - well done on your research / finding the company owner after 20 years and then the RTA outcome!

Mark.

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
 

Peter,
A salutary real life lesson indeed concerning the pitfalls of requiring engineering/ blue slip compliance  for whatever reasons, in particular for interstate purchases. Certainly a real win win finding the sticker eh. Begs the question ... what price a (removable) sticker??!! Guard it with your life!!
 
So given your real life scenario dealing with gods gift to NSW .... the RTA, should my syncro not get buried with me, then the subsequent owner best be from NSW. For my Trakka syncro, I hold zero compliance evidence from Trakka, neither in documentary or sticker forms. I assume they have been lost/removed  during prior ownerships. Seeking Trakka assistance now would be futile.
 
For Trakka vans, it would be interesting to compare what level of vehicle detail is notated on the vehicles official Certificate of Registration. For example, on my Rego Certificate, there are NO notations concerning vehicle Model, Variant, GVM, GCN, Seating Capacity nor Axle Code. Maybe this demonstrates the RTA's efficiency/ attention to detail?
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: peter@coeconsult. com.au
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:52:09 +1000

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 
Gentlemen. I feel compelled to complete the story of the saga with the RTA. I finally got hold of the owner of Suncamper the day before I was booked in to get an Engineers certificate. He had just returned from overseas. His name is Keith Harrison and he bought the company on 1 April 1989. Still owns it. My Syncro was first registered on 1 March 1989. We had a good chat about the RTA (expletives deleted) and I told him about my hassles. I asked did he have any paperwork and of course the answer was no. He told me all about the modern practice of secondary compliance. Back in 1989 he remembers the previous owners had some sort of approval that he continued using for a few years. He suggested I have a look behind the curtains on the drivers side B pillar. Imagine my excitement when I found a sticker with a DMT approval number!!!!!! I have attached a photo.

 
I stood over my Blue Slip man while he rang the Sydney RTA that afternoon and he got the go ahead. Saved myself $650, phew. Lucky though that it was done in NSW as he had a similar problem with a QLD camper which had  QLD engineering approval and they would not accept that. Luckily mine was done in NSW before the Syncro was sent to Vic.
 
After parting with $1200 for Rego, plates and stamp duty etc, I now have lovely NSW slim line plates.
 
If you recall there was also the issue of whether it had factory air conditioning. Keith said that at this time he recalls they left Germany without it (hence no M number on the plate) but it was a factory supplied unit, installed in Sydney. This was, and still is a common practice. If you order a Ford Focus with a factory sun roof, the sun roof was most likely installed in Australia. So in my case. You could argue it has factory air conditioning. Perhaps a discussion point for the future. Hart recalls that a guy who worked next to his office in Brookvale did this sort of work on new cars every day.
 
That’s all for now, Regards, Peter.
 
PS. When I got home after getting this good news I sold my T3 for a very good price. The planets must have been aligned last Wednesday.
 
 
 
 
 



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84
Phill,
Maybe the missing rego certificate info then is irrelevant because PVW is the only descriptor shown.
 
For CTP, I seem to recall that for premium calculation purposes, insurers like NRMA require more vehicle info than just PVW.
Ken
 
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:22:08 +1000
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Does it have a code like PVW on your rego?
>
> How do they know what to charge for CTP?
>
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > A salutary real life lesson indeed concerning the pitfalls of requiring
> > engineering/blue slip compliance for whatever reasons, in particular for
> > interstate purchases. Certainly a real win win finding the sticker eh.
> > Begs the question ... what price a (removable) sticker??!! Guard it with
> > your life!!
> >
> >
> >
> > So given your real life scenario dealing with gods gift to NSW .... the
> > RTA, should my syncro not get buried with me, then the subsequent owner
> > best be from NSW. For my Trakka syncro, I hold zero compliance evidence
> > from Trakka, neither in documentary or sticker forms. I assume they have
> > been lost/removed during prior ownerships. Seeking Trakka assistance now
> > would be futile.
> >
> >
> >
> > For Trakka vans, it would be interesting to compare what level of
> > vehicle detail is notated on the vehicles official Certificate of
> > Registration. For example, on my Rego Certificate, there are NO
> > notations concerning vehicle Model, Variant, GVM, GCN, Seating Capacity
> > nor Axle Code. Maybe this demonstrates the RTA's efficiency/attention to
> > detail?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:52:09 +1000
> > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gentlemen. I feel compelled to complete the story of the saga with the
> > RTA. I finally got hold of the owner of Suncamper the day before I was
> > booked in to get an Engineers certificate. He had just returned from
> > overseas. His name is Keith Harrison and he bought the company on 1
> > April 1989. Still owns it. My Syncro was first registered on 1 March
> > 1989. We had a good chat about the RTA (expletives deleted) and I told
> > him about my hassles. I asked did he have any paperwork and of course
> > the answer was no. He told me all about the modern practice of secondary
> > compliance. Back in 1989 he remembers the previous owners had some sort
> > of approval that he continued using for a few years. He suggested I have
> > a look behind the curtains on the drivers side B pillar. Imagine my
> > excitement when I found a sticker with a DMT approval number!!!!!! I
> > have attached a photo.
> >
> >
> > I stood over my Blue Slip man while he rang the Sydney RTA that
> > afternoon and he got the go ahead. Saved myself $650, phew. Lucky though
> > that it was done in NSW as he had a similar problem with a QLD camper
> > which had QLD engineering approval and they would not accept that.
> > Luckily mine was done in NSW before the Syncro was sent to Vic.
> >
> > After parting with $1200 for Rego, plates and stamp duty etc, I now have
> > lovely NSW slim line plates.
> >
> > If you recall there was also the issue of whether it had factory air
> > conditioning. Keith said that at this time he recalls they left Germany
> > without it (hence no M number on the plate) but it was a factory
> > supplied unit, installed in Sydney. This was, and still is a common
> > practice. If you order a Ford Focus with a factory sun roof, the sun
> > roof was most likely installed in Australia. So in my case. You could
> > argue it has factory air conditioning. Perhaps a discussion point for
> > the future. Hart recalls that a guy who worked next to his office in
> > Brookvale did this sort of work on new cars every day.
> >
> > Thatโ€™s all for now, Regards, Peter.
> >
> > PS. When I got home after getting this good news I sold my T3 for a very
> > good price. The planets must have been aligned last Wednesday.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site
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PVW = Panel Van with windows = Kombi/Transporter = More expensive CTP

I can't remember the codes, but CTP is cheaper for Camper or Microbus/Caravelle as it is a passenger vehicle.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phill,
>
> Maybe the missing rego certificate info then is irrelevant because PVW
> is the only descriptor shown.
>
>
>
> For CTP, I seem to recall that for premium calculation purposes,
> insurers like NRMA require more vehicle info than just PVW.
>
> Ken
>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:22:08 +1000
> > Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Does it have a code like PVW on your rego?
> >
> > How do they know what to charge for CTP?
> >
> >
> > > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > A salutary real life lesson indeed concerning the pitfalls of
> requiring
> > > engineering/blue slip compliance for whatever reasons, in particular
> for
> > > interstate purchases. Certainly a real win win finding the sticker
> eh.
> > > Begs the question ... what price a (removable) sticker??!! Guard it
> with
> > > your life!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So given your real life scenario dealing with gods gift to NSW ....
> the
> > > RTA, should my syncro not get buried with me, then the subsequent
> owner
> > > best be from NSW. For my Trakka syncro, I hold zero compliance
> evidence
> > > from Trakka, neither in documentary or sticker forms. I assume they
> have
> > > been lost/removed during prior ownerships. Seeking Trakka assistance
> now
> > > would be futile.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For Trakka vans, it would be interesting to compare what level of
> > > vehicle detail is notated on the vehicles official Certificate of
> > > Registration. For example, on my Rego Certificate, there are NO
> > > notations concerning vehicle Model, Variant, GVM, GCN, Seating
> Capacity
> > > nor Axle Code. Maybe this demonstrates the RTA's
> efficiency/attention to
> > > detail?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> > > Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:52:09 +1000
> > > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gentlemen. I feel compelled to complete the story of the saga with
> the
> > > RTA. I finally got hold of the owner of Suncamper the day before I
> was
> > > booked in to get an Engineers certificate. He had just returned from
>
> > > overseas. His name is Keith Harrison and he bought the company on 1
>
> > > April 1989. Still owns it. My Syncro was first registered on 1 March
>
> > > 1989. We had a good chat about the RTA (expletives deleted) and I
> told
> > > him about my hassles. I asked did he have any paperwork and of
> course
> > > the answer was no. He told me all about the modern practice of
> secondary
> > > compliance. Back in 1989 he remembers the previous owners had some
> sort
> > > of approval that he continued using for a few years. He suggested I
> have
> > > a look behind the curtains on the drivers side B pillar. Imagine my
>
> > > excitement when I found a sticker with a DMT approval number!!!!!! I
>
> > > have attached a photo.
> > >
> > >
> > > I stood over my Blue Slip man while he rang the Sydney RTA that
> > > afternoon and he got the go ahead. Saved myself $650, phew. Lucky
> though
> > > that it was done in NSW as he had a similar problem with a QLD
> camper
> > > which had QLD engineering approval and they would not accept that.
> > > Luckily mine was done in NSW before the Syncro was sent to Vic.
> > >
> > > After parting with $1200 for Rego, plates and stamp duty etc, I now
> have
> > > lovely NSW slim line plates.
> > >
> > > If you recall there was also the issue of whether it had factory air
>
> > > conditioning. Keith said that at this time he recalls they left
> Germany
> > > without it (hence no M number on the plate) but it was a factory
> > > supplied unit, installed in Sydney. This was, and still is a common
>
> > > practice. If you order a Ford Focus with a factory sun roof, the sun
>
> > > roof was most likely installed in Australia. So in my case. You
> could
> > > argue it has factory air conditioning. Perhaps a discussion point
> for
> > > the future. Hart recalls that a guy who worked next to his office in
>
> > > Brookvale did this sort of work on new cars every day.
> > >
> > > That���������������������s all for now, Regards, Peter.
> > >
> > > PS. When I got home after getting this good news I sold my T3 for a
> very
> > > good price. The planets must have been aligned last Wednesday.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site
> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
> >
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> Seems to me then for those with campervan conversions manufactured by
> RTA approved conversion builders at the time, this issue is crying out
> for greater clarity.

I may be wrong (and probably am) but I thought that converters were Australian approved.
>
>
>
> What exactly is important here?
>
>
>
> Is it having in place the official conversion compliance sticker itself
> (afixed by whom? ... RTA or builder?) OR, knowing the definitive
> information provided on that sticker?
>

Compliance plates and stickers are fitted by the manufacturer, impoter or convertor. The RTA has nothing to do with it.








>
>
> Is it possible that the conversion builder simply operated with an RTA
> license/permit that covered all approved "engineering" and "safety"
> components of a conversion for a particular model vehicle i.e., a VW T3?
> "Engineered" components would for example be poptops, rear seating and
> their fastenings, rear seat belts and their fastenings etc., and
> "safety" such as LPG gas.
>

Yes they have type approval so they do not inspect every vehicle.

Gas and 240v are different and must be checked.






>
>
> If so, then perhaps all we need to know is the conversion builders
> "umbrella" licence/permit number and quote it when dealing with RTA,
> regardless of the presence or absence of the official (removable)
> sticker.
>

Probably, maybe if you can prove who did it.



>
>
> Otherwise, does the sticker have definitive information detailing
> approved components of the conversion in the form of codes?
>

No.
87
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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88
My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.
Doone Wyborn
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off



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89
Well done Hart.
 
At least you bought from NSW - that should keep the RTA happy!.
 
Well done to Peter for finding the compliance label.
 
Nothing like putting those new plates on!.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
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Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Ken, just finally picked up my camper syn from the road side where Car
Carriers dropped it . We drove it the 1.2km but it needs an engine rebuilt.
Too late now to inspect it, but it looks to be free of rust with the
exception of the front window. The poor Syn is so filthy, beyond belief. It
also has one swivel seat ,2 fairly new batteries an Engel fridge (no gas).
And a metho stove. No under belly water tank. Also 15" wheels, 319000 kms.
Talk to you about the conversion once I have inspected the bulli. Hartmut

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:13 PM
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Doone,
Thanks a lot for starting the ball rolling for Camperise.
Now we need further responses for Camperise looking for similarities or
differences in approval numbers.

Any starters for the other known brand conversions please?
Cheers.
Ken

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Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 8:20 PM
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90

Thanks Mark. One final issue re seatbelts. If I didn’t have to get an engineering certificate then the Blue Slip man, as I now affectionately call him, said it would not have passed because it only has lap seat belts in the back. I then said thanks and said I might get some put in. He then said if that happened then it would require one of those dreaded engineering certificates for the whole car, not just the belts. Interesting. I guess this means I am only driving a two seater at present!!!

 

Peter

 

 

 

91

Scott, needs some detective work, I have same rooftop as Peter and an ENGEL compressor fridge. Also Mueller stickers on the back. There is a poss that it was converted at Brookvale too, at the time we had our business two streets on from the converts, I can’t remember their names, those guys at the time bought my then 1yr young Syncro window van and converted it (I  bought the Tristar then). All very intriguing. Interesting that my the window van they bought from me was the same colour (bronze metallic ) as Peters. Still we think to know that the Syn Peter bought was not ours, there must have been 2 of that unusual paint scheme. Will see what comes out in the wash..........  Hart J

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2010 7:58 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Well done Hart.

 

At least you bought from NSW - that should keep the RTA happy!.

 

Well done to Peter for finding the compliance label.

 

Nothing like putting those new plates on!.

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:27 PM

Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Ken, just finally picked up my camper syn from the road side where Car
Carriers dropped it . We drove it the 1.2km but it needs an engine rebuilt.
Too late now to inspect it, but it looks to be free of rust with the
exception of the front window. The poor Syn is so filthy, beyond belief. It
also has one swivel seat ,2 fairly new batteries an Engel fridge (no gas).
And a metho stove. No under belly water tank. Also 15" wheels, 319000 kms.
Talk to you about the conversion once I have inspected the bulli. Hartmut

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:13 PM
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Doone,
Thanks a lot for starting the ball rolling for Camperise.
Now we need further responses for Camperise looking for similarities or
differences in approval numbers.

Any starters for the other known brand conversions please?
Cheers.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 8:20 PM
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92
There is a poss
> that
> it was converted at Brookvale too, at the time we had our business two
> streets on from the converts, I can't remember their names,

Chris Band used to own Camperize at Brookvale.
93
Ken,
 
I have a compliance sticker on mine from Camperize (Brookvale) for the rear bed seat conversion and seat belts. I shall show you it @ the Nationals on the weekend.
 
It resides under the steering column in the front metal air duct that is painted the same colour as the vehicle. The sticker is just a printed paper sticker and it is amazing it has lasted this long.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Les,
 
Gleened from what Phill has said in the past, I can imagine the sequence probably goes something like this ...
 
Vehicle arrives in Australia and held in bond storage until VAG seeks release.
 
VAG seeks release, pays duty and compliance fees, compliance plate fitted, vehicle released to dealership.
 
Dealership releases vehicle to Trakka (unregistered) for a camper conversion, fix on dealer plates, drive away OR ... 
 
Customer seeks to buy stock vehicle from VAG dealer, pays all onroad costs including rego, drives away.
 
Private buyer or Trakka deliver vehicle to Trakka conversion facility and build campervan conversion.
 
Private buyer drives away campervan or Trakka registers it for a customer order, or it sits unregistered till a customer purchase.
 
As the vehicle was registered as per compliance plate only, then there can be no reference to a later conversion, either on the compliance plate nor Certificate of Registration. Conversion simply relied on RTA approved conversion builder permit.
 
So now, 20 years down the track for subsequent RTA verification of the legal status of a campervan ... what is left that will satisfy the RTA? Any of the following? ....
 
* customer pays all costs for RTA engineering/ blue slip re-inspections. (No sweat for RTA, very inconvenient & costly for owner).
* owner produces original Trakka conversion documentation showing RTA issued Trakka conversion licence/permit. (Probably lost by now so unlikely). 
* owner shows RTA inspector the afixed Trakka conversion licence/permit sticker. (Probably lost by now so less likely).
* owner quotes "gleened" Trakka conversion licence/permit number over the phone or to RTA inspector. (Then hopes like hell this works).
 
Sadly, RTA reports back that records of licence/permits are now incomplete/missing/ deleted. (Owner now tears out remaining locks of hair, forced to re-visit the above options).
 
Haha ......... who was it first said? .... let the buyer beware!
 
Lets continue looking for evidence please ok ...... the stickers or equivalent!! Anyone/everyone? TIA. 

Cheers.
Ken
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:38:05 +1000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Ken,

Memory is a rather nebulous thing. 

I had always believed that my Syncro was sold new with the Trakka conversion and I thought that I had some paperwork somewhere that confirmed that. 

Prompted by your suggestion that we try to collect all relevant information, I dug out the file – to find that there is absolutely NO mention of Trakka on the original registration certificate!  (See attached scan.)

Did the Trakka conversions have any form of compliance sticker and, if so, where?

Les

 



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94
Hart,
 
I cant believe you bought another syncro whilst the boss was away!
 
Your much braver than me.
 
See you @ the Nationals.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Hi Ken, My Camper is a SAFARI CAMPER  DISCOVERER  any good???    I cleaned the engine as  best as poss degreaser/high pressure gun on it for 10 mins. I turned the key and.......bingo it started, but poss no compression one cylinder. Will do a test asap, let you know. Bad news is, that Elke is back from NZ  by Wednesday, my hols are over mate, what now with all my projects ????? hartis

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2010 4:12 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Hartmut,
 
Well done.
 
Trailer it to The Nationals will you please. Collectively we can then offer you the benefit of our sound advice ok .... haha

Elkie, the cleaning lady ............ ...... heh I can feel a song coming on ........  :-)
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: hartis@live. com.au
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:27:46 +1000
Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Ken, just finally picked up my camper syn from the road side where Car
Carriers dropped it . We drove it the 1.2km but it needs an engine rebuilt.
Too late now to inspect it, but it looks to be free of rust with the
exception of the front window. The poor Syn is so filthy, beyond belief. It
also has one swivel seat ,2 fairly new batteries an Engel fridge (no gas).
And a metho stove. No under belly water tank. Also 15" wheels, 319000 kms.
Talk to you about the conversion once I have inspected the bulli. Hartmut

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:13 PM
To: syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: FW: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

Doone,
Thanks a lot for starting the ball rolling for Camperise.
Now we need further responses for Camperise looking for similarities or
differences in approval numbers.

Any starters for the other known brand conversions please?
Cheers.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 8:20 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

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95

Skott, that was my only  chance, she will probably for the year visit ELLA BASH...T  twice a  week....!  That’s how the cookie crumbles. She is OK with it now and I love her for that. Sunday last we were married for 46 yrs.!! Your congrats gracefully accepted I HAVE done well.   Hart JJJJ

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2010 5:15 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Hart,

 

I cant believe you bought another syncro whilst the boss was away!

 

Your much braver than me.

 

See you @ the Nationals.

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:49 PM

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Hi Ken, My Camper is a SAFARI CAMPER  DISCOVERER  any good???    I cleaned the engine as  best as poss degreaser/high pressure gun on it for 10 mins. I turned the key and.......bingo it started, but poss no compression one cylinder. Will do a test asap, let you know. Bad news is, that Elke is back from NZ  by Wednesday, my hols are over mate, what now with all my projects ????? hartis

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 17 May 2010 4:12 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Hartmut,
 
Well done.
 
Trailer it to The Nationals will you please. Collectively we can then offer you the benefit of our sound advice ok .... haha

Elkie, the cleaning lady .................. heh I can feel a song coming on ........  :-)
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:27:46 +1000
Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Ken, just finally picked up my camper syn from the road side where Car
Carriers dropped it . We drove it the 1.2km but it needs an engine rebuilt.
Too late now to inspect it, but it looks to be free of rust with the
exception of the front window. The poor Syn is so filthy, beyond belief. It
also has one swivel seat ,2 fairly new batteries an Engel fridge (no gas).
And a metho stove. No under belly water tank. Also 15" wheels, 319000 kms.
Talk to you about the conversion once I have inspected the bulli. Hartmut

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:13 PM
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Doone,
Thanks a lot for starting the ball rolling for Camperise.
Now we need further responses for Camperise looking for similarities or
differences in approval numbers.

Any starters for the other known brand conversions please?
Cheers.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 8:20 PM
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Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

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Ken & Les My van was also converted by Chris Band of Camperise
Industries the poptop roof was done by Richard ? of Modular Camping
Industries they worked together in tandem at Brookie
Richard also in 1980 put a roof on my 76 Kombi The reason for
registering as a van was it was quiet a bit cheaper to register as the
camper weighed a lot more so The RTA wanted more money ( as I found out
when I put the SVX motor in my van and had to get it reweighed ) so have
saved a couple of thousand over 20 years A friend of mine made the
mistake of parking his camper outside the RTA office where an eagle eyed
inspector made him put on the weightbridge and charged him more
Am enclosing a few photos of whats under the dash the one with the
Ausst/options someone might be able to decipher what they are I don't
think they were for my Syncro only my options were power steering and
rear difflock
John
97
John,
That's just fabulous.
So your numbers are consistant with Wyborn's numbers .... exactly the same 2 numbers. Looking good eh.
 
We need more please from everyone .... all conversion builders details, pics, where located.
 
Thanks a lot.
 
 
John, can you join the happy band of syncro revellers attending The Nationals this coming Sunday? You could link up with the convoy starting at Kariong or maybe there is a convoy coming down from Newcastle? Be great to see you.
 
Cheers.
Ken 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: redcow@hunterlink.net.au
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:16:24 +1000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 
Ken & Les My van was also converted by Chris Band of Camperise
Industries the poptop roof was done by Richard ? of Modular Camping
Industries they worked together in tandem at Brookie
Richard also in 1980 put a roof on my 76 Kombi The reason for
registering as a van was it was quiet a bit cheaper to register as the
camper weighed a lot more so The RTA wanted more money ( as I found out
when I put the SVX motor in my van and had to get it reweighed ) so have
saved a couple of thousand over 20 years A friend of mine made the
mistake of parking his camper outside the RTA office where an eagle eyed
inspector made him put on the weightbridge and charged him more
Am enclosing a few photos of whats under the dash the one with the
Ausst/options someone might be able to decipher what they are I don't
think they were for my Syncro only my options were power steering and
rear difflock
John


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98

John,

Thanks for the excellent pictures.  That is exactly what we need for a comprehensive file.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Lowe
Sent: 17 May 2010 18:16
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Ken & Les My van was also converted by Chris Band of Camperise
Industries the poptop roof was done by Richard ? of Modular Camping
Industries they worked together in tandem at Brookie
Richard also in 1980 put a roof on my 76 Kombi The reason for
registering as a van was it was quiet a bit cheaper to register as the
camper weighed a lot more so The RTA wanted more money ( as I found out
when I put the SVX motor in my van and had to get it reweighed ) so have
saved a couple of thousand over 20 years A friend of mine made the
mistake of parking his camper outside the RTA office where an eagle eyed
inspector made him put on the weightbridge and charged him more
Am enclosing a few photos of whats under the dash the one with the
Ausst/options someone might be able to decipher what they are I don't
think they were for my Syncro only my options were power steering and
rear difflock
John

99
John, Doone and all

Excellent pictures - perfect - disregard on previous thread - hadn't caught up on all emails yet!

Mark.

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

John,

Thanks for the excellent pictures. That is exactly what we need for a comprehensive file.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Lowe
Sent: 17 May 2010 18:16


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Ken & Les My van was also converted by Chris Band of Camperise

Industries the poptop roof was done by Richard ? of Modular Camping
Industries they worked together in tandem at Brookie
Richard also in 1980 put a roof on my 76 Kombi The reason for
registering as a van was it was quiet a bit cheaper to register as the
camper weighed a lot more so The RTA wanted more money ( as I found out
when I put the SVX motor in my van and had to get it reweighed ) so have
saved a couple of thousand over 20 years A friend of mine made the
mistake of parking his camper outside the RTA office where an eagle eyed
inspector made him put on the weightbridge and charged him more
Am enclosing a few photos of whats under the dash the one with the
Ausst/options someone might be able to decipher what they are I don't
think they were for my Syncro only my options were power steering and
rear difflock
John


100
Hi Doone

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.
Doone Wyborn
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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