NSW Rip Off

121
Hartmut,
hhmmmmmmmm   .... on a full lock, it'd be interesting to learn how much larger the turning circle is with the sheep dip gate on. Meaning what might get hit when on compared to what you'd miss with it off.
 
Heh there'll be a squillion dollars worth of closely packed and highly polished VeeDub metal you can test this next Sunday ok.
 
Ken
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:58:39 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

Kenny,

I put the roo thing onto the scales, it weighs in at 14kg 450gr or for you 14.45 kg. And that incl. the licence plate as well as 3 Roo Freak Whistles, wouldn’t make a scappies day, so I will put it back on now.  Hart

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:30 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Hartmut,
Yeah well I think you'll find that roobar was made out of leftover over spec reinforcing steel from the huge upgrade roadworks they did on Old Pittwater Rd back in ..... uummmm .... around 1975 I think from memory.
 
Be a metal recyclers dream come true to get their mittens on that roo bar now .....
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: hartis@live. com.au
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:03:19 +1000
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

Ken,  hi,

You  omitting mine which is a  SAFARI  CAMPER  lovely name isn’t it. Maybe you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ?  Hart

PS What  I  do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER Rd.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.
 
How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversi on permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: markkofahl@gmail. com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Hi Doone

 

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

 

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

 

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

 

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

 

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

 

Thanks
Mark.

 

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.

Doone Wyborn

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:

Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken





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Francesca,
 
To reiterate then, as I understand it, at least in NSW, there won't be any reference nor alteration of details to a vehicles registration certificate, rego sticker nor affixed vehicle compliance plate as a consequence of a subsequent camper conversion. The conversion approval is merely covered under the terms of the conversion builders permit issued to them by the RTA (or DMT back then) and the RTA remains cognisant of that issued permit (we hope). The wheels rapidly fall off if they aren't.
 
Interesting though it is now revealed that the Trakka permit plate also inscribes the particular vehicles VIN.
 
So my camper is similarly equipped as yours except with instead a Trakka (I assume) installed lap-sash and one lap belt in the back and my compliance plate remains showing an all up 2 passenger limit. Though interestingly my rear lap-sash belt doesn't have the window bar fixture as others do have. Are other Trakka setups the same as mine with no window bar fixture? 
 
Of course, one still wonders whether or not all conversion work done and perhaps altered again/added to over the years by subsequent owners is legal under which, if any, RTA issued permit or verified approval. Could get messy here.
 
Bottom line is .... if in doubt, it is prudent to avoid circumstances that might otherwise lead to a blue slip or engineering inspection.
 
Failing all that, whenever push comes to shove, owners ideally need to have on hand the right information so an RTA inspector can be led by the hand to a favourable/logical outcome. That's the testy bit. I believe we've all come some way to a better understanding thanks to Peters persistence.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: fcoles6@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:13:20 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 
You can also add Sunliner. I'm not sure how many Syncro camper conversions they did. Ours might be unique in Australia, for all I know. Haven't looked for a sticker yet. I'm wondering about the legality of our seatbelts now, with one lap-sash and one lap belt in the back. Rego sticker claims licensed to carry only 2 passengers..

Francesca.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live. com.au> wrote:
 

Greg, mine has the front spar intact.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:55 PM


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Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

I think you will find they are in W.A. Mine was converted there, it is like an uglier, taller, squarer version of the westy roof. I think they also did one that was like the trakka roof but did not involve removing the front roof spar. Greg E

--- On Tue, 18/5/10, Murray Lee <murray.lee@sydney. edu.au> wrote:


From: Murray Lee <murray.lee@sydney. edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Received: Tuesday, 18 May, 2010, 12:09 PM

 

Hi Hart,

 

 

Looking through the history of my Trakka it was actually traded in and re-sold at Safari Campers (in Adelaide I believe) in about 96. I actually have a “Safari Campers” key ring. I can check the address and location when I get home tonight if you would like?

Kind Regards

Murray  

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:03 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Ken,  hi,

You  omitting mine which is a  SAFARI  CAMPER  lovely name isn’t it. Maybe you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ?  Hart

PS What  I  do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER Rd.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.
 
How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversi on permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: markkofahl@gmail. com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Hi Doone

 

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

 

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

 

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

 

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

 

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

 

Thanks
Mark.

 

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.

Doone Wyborn

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:

Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken





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Hi Francesca,

My acquisition, which has the same seating setup as yours  , on the Cert of Reg shows seating Cap to be   4 .  J Fancy that.  Hart

 

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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

You can also add Sunliner. I'm not sure how many Syncro camper conversions they did. Ours might be unique in Australia, for all I know. Haven't looked for a sticker yet. I'm wondering about the legality of our seatbelts now, with one lap-sash and one lap belt in the back. Rego sticker claims licensed to carry only 2 passengers..

 

Francesca.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

 

Greg, mine has the front spar intact.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:55 PM

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

I think you will find they are in W.A. Mine was converted there, it is like an uglier, taller, squarer version of the westy roof. I think they also did one that was like the trakka roof but did not involve removing the front roof spar. Greg E

--- On Tue, 18/5/10, Murray Lee <murray.lee@sydney.edu.au> wrote:


From: Murray Lee <murray.lee@sydney.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 18 May, 2010, 12:09 PM

 

Hi Hart,

 

 

Looking through the history of my Trakka it was actually traded in and re-sold at Safari Campers (in Adelaide I believe) in about 96. I actually have a “Safari Campers” key ring. I can check the address and location when I get home tonight if you would like?

Kind Regards

Murray  

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:03 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Ken,  hi,

You  omitting mine which is a  SAFARI  CAMPER  lovely name isn’t it. Maybe you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ?  Hart

PS What  I  do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER Rd.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.
 
How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversi on permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: markkofahl@gmail. com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Hi Doone

 

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

 

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

 

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

 

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

 

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

 

Thanks
Mark.

 

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.

Doone Wyborn

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:

Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken





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A lap belt in the middle is legal.


> Peter Coe <peter@coeconsult.com.au> wrote:
>
> Just a quick update on seatbelts to complete the picture. On purchase I
> found a strange bar under the back seat and could not work it out. Then
> when
> Hart was going over his new acquisition he suddenly realised it was the
> bar
> that bolts on to the passenger side across the rear window for a sash
> seat
> belt to be affixed. When installed I will have a three seater with only
> one
> "illegal" lap belt. I will attach it next year when I go for a pink
> slip.
>
> See you on Sunday, Peter
>
125
If it is the "Z" bar it was fitted in Australia and supplied by the importer.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Peter,
>
> Phill will know for sure, anyway I have the impression this particular
> bar may be peculiar to Oz T3's only.
>
> In the past, there have been enquiries here seeking to obtain this bar,
> so looks like you've fallen on your feet with this.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: peter@coeconsult.com.au
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:55:45 +1000
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just a quick update on seatbelts to complete the picture. On purchase I
> found a strange bar under the back seat and could not work it out. Then
> when Hart was going over his new acquisition he suddenly realised it was
> the bar that bolts on to the passenger side across the rear window for a
> sash seat belt to be affixed. When installed I will have a three seater
> with only one ���illegal��� lap belt. I will attach it next year when I go
> for a pink slip.
>
>
> See you on Sunday, Peter
>
>
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Hi Mark,
I don't know why there are two numbers, maybe some of the conversion was by one fitter and the rest was by the other. I have a popup roof, three seat belt back seat which folds down to a bed. In front of the bed is a sink and cupboard behind the drivers seat. The stove is on a swing out removable unit behind the passenger seat. Sorry no pictures.
Cheers
Doone
.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Doone


Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.
Doone Wyborn
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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> PS What I do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD
> PITTWATER
> Rd.
>

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~pjlander/Bullbar.htm
128
> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hartmut,
>
> Yeah well I think you'll find that roobar was made out of leftover over
> spec reinforcing steel

They're aluminium
129
All this talk of converion companies has got me researching my own. So Murray was right Safari are in S.A. sorry Murray. The reason I thought they were in W.A. is that our syncro was converted prior to sale in W.A. An old sticker on the front of the pop top says "A CAMPERWORLD SAFARI CONVERSION PERTH WA". So does that mean the conversion was done under licence in wa or was the car shipped to sa? Now I am confused. Greg E

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Francesca,
>
> My acquisition, which has the same seating setup as yours , on the Cert of
> Reg shows seating Cap to be 4 . J Fancy that. Hart
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 1:13 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
>
>
>
>
>
> You can also add Sunliner. I'm not sure how many Syncro camper conversions
> they did. Ours might be unique in Australia, for all I know. Haven't looked
> for a sticker yet. I'm wondering about the legality of our seatbelts now,
> with one lap-sash and one lap belt in the back. Rego sticker claims licensed
> to carry only 2 passengers..
>
>
>
> Francesca.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Greg, mine has the front spar intact.
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:55 PM
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think you will find they are in W.A. Mine was converted there, it is like
> an uglier, taller, squarer version of the westy roof. I think they also did
> one that was like the trakka roof but did not involve removing the front
> roof spar. Greg E
>
> --- On Tue, 18/5/10, Murray Lee <murray.lee@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Murray Lee <murray.lee@...>
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, 18 May, 2010, 12:09 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Hart,
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking through the history of my Trakka it was actually traded in and
> re-sold at Safari Campers (in Adelaide I believe) in about 96. I actually
> have a "Safari Campers" key ring. I can check the address and location when
> I get home tonight if you would like?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Murray
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@
> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:03 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken, hi,
>
> You omitting mine which is a SAFARI CAMPER lovely name isn't it. Maybe
> you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ? Hart
>
> PS What I do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER
> Rd.
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@
> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
> To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark,
> A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.
>
> How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka,
> Camperize, Suncamper and ????
> The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in
> the undercover and outside carparks?
> Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of
> T3 campervans/conversi on permit stickers?
> A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all
> about his opposition builders as well?
> Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?
>
> _____
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: markkofahl@gmail. com
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
> Hi Doone
>
>
>
> Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?
>
>
>
> Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In
> fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.
>
>
>
> I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would
> be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior
> layout)
>
>
>
> If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.
>
>
>
> Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the
> absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval
> number is appropriate.
>
>
>
> Thanks
> Mark.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com
> <http://au.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=doone.wyborn@...> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise
> Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals
> numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the
> accelerator pedal.
>
> Doone Wyborn
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com
> <http://au.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=unclekenz@...> >
> wrote:
>
> Phill and All,
> Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion
> please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to
> their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number &
> report here your findings?
>
> By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of
> permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This
> information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans
> when dealing with the likes of the RTA.
>
> TIA. Cheers.
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
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> John Lowe <redcow@hunterlink.net.au> wrote:
>

> Am enclosing a few photos of whats under the dash the one with the
> Ausst/options someone might be able to decipher what they are I don't
> think they were for my Syncro only my options were power steering and
> rear difflock
> John

RHD syncro Kombi built in Oct '88 ('89 model)
Pastel White with beige/brown upholstery.
Rear diff lock
205 tyres under front spare
Power steer
No vehicle ID plate
Australian version
Rectangular headlights
131
Les,

I have my original rego papers also and mine is a 284.
My Tare wt is 1430
My Agg wt is 2625

I also have the DOTFORS NVD1 document dated 10/89. It lists 2 body codes, 284 and 232. Any idea what the 232 is?

It lists tyres as 185 as standard and 205 on 6" rims as optional.

The FORS documented Tare wt is 1430
The FORS documented Agg wt is 2625

Phill





> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Memory is a rather nebulous thing.
>
> I had always believed that my Syncro was sold new with the Trakka
> conversion
> and I thought that I had some paperwork somewhere that confirmed that.
>
> Prompted by your suggestion that we try to collect all relevant
> information,
> I dug out the file - to find that there is absolutely NO mention of
> Trakka
> on the original registration certificate! (See attached scan.)
>
> Did the Trakka conversions have any form of compliance sticker and, if
> so,
> where?
>
> Les
>
>
132

Hi Ken. My old T3 which I hope is now happily enjoying life with it’s new owner had a sash belt but not the bar like my Syncro. As a result the sash was a little bit lower where it went over the shoulder. It was just fixed in the same position as the rear mounting bolt of the bar.

 

Peter

 

PS. My new OME shocks are fantastic. Much improved drive now. Worth the $800.

 

133
Yep. That is a good description. A "Z" bar. It makes for a much higher sash
across the shoulders unless you are 6 ft 2 in like me!!!!

Peter
134
Yes it is not legal to have seat belts in the back without them.



> Peter Coe <peter@coeconsult.com.au> wrote:
>
Yep. That is a good description. A "Z" bar. It makes for a much higher sash
across the shoulders unless you are 6 ft 2 in like me!!!!

Peter
135
Hi Doone

The question may have been answered yesterday - the 2 numbers - 1 for the roof conversion and 1 number for the rest as they were completed by 2 different (albeit adjacent) companies.

Mark.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mark,
I don't know why there are two numbers, maybe some of the conversion was by one fitter and the rest was by the other. I have a popup roof, three seat belt back seat which folds down to a bed. In front of the bed is a sink and cupboard behind the drivers seat. The stove is on a swing out removable unit behind the passenger seat. Sorry no pictures.
Cheers
Doone
.
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Doone


Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.
Doone Wyborn
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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Hi Scott

Would be great if you can bring this brochure with you.

That's very interesting that Nose Cone now have that mould for the T3. Do you know if someone could take their tin-top T3 and have it installed there also?

Mark.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com> wrote:

Hart,
From what I am aware, Camperize were bought out and the name changed to Discoverer Campers with "Safari" conversion models. Later Discoverer dropped the Safari and just called them Discoverer conversions.
Hence, Camperize, Safari and Discoverer are all the same basic design and the fibreglass roof was design by a guy named Richard ........ who died only a few years ago.
The Camperize/ Discoverer/Safari T3 roof mould now lives on and is currently Owned by a mob called "Nose Cone" who are based in 12 Donald St, Old Guilford.
They now even have correct spec of how to "lay up" the roof in the mould to make sure it doesn't sag.
I even have a 10 year old brochure of the discoverer / safari conversion to a T3 with a very nice 87 model twin diff-lock vehicle as the show piece.
I will try and dig it up and bring it to the Nationals.
Cheers,
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

Ken, hi,

You omitting mine which is a SAFARI CAMPER lovely name isn’t it. Maybe you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ? Hart

PS What I do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER Rd.

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.

How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversion permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: markkofahl@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Hi Doone

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.

Doone Wyborn

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken





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Everard,

Still need to see the pic of that Trakka plate.  There is no such plate on mine, so I am very interested and it will be an important piece of information for the file.

Les

 

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138

Here are photos of my interior. Done by Suncamper in Balgowla.

 

Peter

 

 

 

139

Scott,

A scan posted to Files would also be great.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mark Kofahl
Sent: 19 May 2010 21:04
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Hi Scott

 

Would be great if you can bring this brochure with you.

 

That's very interesting that Nose Cone now have that mould for the T3. Do you know if someone could take their tin-top T3 and have it installed there also?

 

Mark.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Hart,

 

From what I am aware, Camperize were bought out and the name changed to Discoverer Campers with "Safari" conversion models. Later Discoverer dropped the Safari and just called them Discoverer conversions.

 

Hence, Camperize, Safari and Discoverer are all the same basic design and the fibreglass roof was design by a guy named Richard ........ who died only a few years ago.

 

The Camperize/ Discoverer/Safari T3 roof mould now lives on and is currently Owned by a mob called "Nose Cone" who are based in 12 Donald St , Old Guilford.

 

They now even have correct spec of how to "lay up" the roof in the mould to make sure it doesn't sag.

 

I even have a 10 year old brochure of the discoverer / safari conversion to a T3 with a very nice 87 model twin diff-lock vehicle as the show piece.

 

I will try and dig it up and bring it to the Nationals.

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

 

Ken,  hi,

You  omitting mine which is a  SAFARI  CAMPER  lovely name isn’t it. Maybe you can shed some light on who was or is behind this name ?  Hart

PS What  I  do know is ,that the roobar was manufactured in OLD PITTWATER Rd.

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 11:09 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Nationals .. T3 campervans

 

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.
 
How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversi on permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: markkofahl@gmail. com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

Hi Doone

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.

Doone Wyborn

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:

Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken





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Ken

These are good ideas - I've not seen Trakka at the Nationals for a long time, strangely, and I would not recognise Chris Band.

Phill - do you know if you can make it yet (with work commitments etc?) - perhaps you can introduce him?

Regards
Mark.

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark,
A few queries leading up to next Sunday ... The Nationals.

How many "recognised" T3 camper conversion manufacturers were there? Trakka, Camperize, Suncamper and ????
The opportunity presents on Sunday to scout around and find them, both in the undercover and outside carparks?
Perhaps a couple of camera guys during the day to take pertinent photos of T3 campervans/conversion permit stickers?
A "delegation" to brainstorm with Chris Band on the day? He may know all about his opposition builders as well?
Are Trakka or any others represented there on the day?
Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: markkofahl@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:25:10 +1000
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Hi Doone

Any idea why there are 2 numbers or what they may relate to?

Can you send a external & interior picture of your Camperise conversion? In fact, perhaps a picture of the sticker as well.

I think mine was done by Camperise, however, as you know for sure, it would be good to compare the style of conversion (ie, roof type moudling, interior layout)

If you coming to Nationals then can take a look there.

Ken - it may be important to know _who_ did the conversion as well in the absence of the sticker, in order to then further identify which approval number is appropriate.

Thanks
Mark.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Doone Wyborn <doone.wyborn@gmail.com> wrote:


My camper conversion was carried out in Brookvale, NSW in 1989 by Camperise Industries and Modular Camping Industries. There are two DMT approvals numbered 83131 and 83137. These are stickers on the wall above the accelerator pedal.
Doone Wyborn
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Phill and All,
Ok thanks, so now, can those with any known brand T3 campervan conversion please check your own original documentation and/or sticker for reference to their own specific RTA issued T3 conversion builder permit/licence number & report here your findings?

By so doing it's possible we may in fact uncover a commonality of permit/licence number issued to each builder of T3 camper conversions. This information may well assist present and future owners of these campervans when dealing with the likes of the RTA.

TIA. Cheers.
Ken




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