For recording here on the forum for members future reference, could you please supply the business name, contact details for this Milperra outfit. Ta.
Ken
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: stephenmuller@kombirescue.com.au
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:55:03 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Prestige AC system
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: stephenmuller@kombirescue.com.au
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:55:03 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Prestige AC system
The other supplier with the taller vents is a auto frost system, these guys still exist and still retro fit units into T3’s at Milperra ask for Geoff Thomas, I suggest to try and use an over head unit as the dash units are VERY noisy and have a less than desirable air flow in comparison. Cheers steve
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Sent: Friday, 25 November 2011 6:48 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Prestige AC system
Hart,its all yours.See you soon.
BenC
BenC
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Ben, I'll gladly take it..!!!! Hartmut
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> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben
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> I have Prestidge AC,and I have the same AC vents as Yurik and Ken.
> I hope to get my AC running before Xmas.Yuriks comments on his AC, has given
> me hope that one day,I may be able to drive in coolness and
> peacefulness(whingingless).
> BTW,I have a Prestidge compressor if someone wants one.
> BenC
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> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
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> other syncros, don't know though what brand of install they are. Ken
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> brings it down to a bearable level? I might have a go at opening up the
> vents or adding one through the ashtray like the U.S. behr systems had. Greg
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> > GregMy Prestige ac probably has more air flow as the unit sits on top of
> the dash and has 5 vents blowing into the cabin. See attached photo of the
> unit, with red Kimberly dust in the vents from our recent trip to the
> NW.Yurik From:
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> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of greg esposito
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011 2:25 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Prestige AC system Ken, I have a
> "modern" compressor. The system was retrofitted to r134a in 2008. The air
> temp is a constant 1-3 degrees at the vents. If there was a fault with my
> system it just would not cycle consistanty at this temp. There is just not
> enough air coming out to cool the cabin. Mark was telling me at the dotvw
> that he had a rear evap fitted. Does
> > Yurik/yourself have the big vent box on top of the dash? Mine employs the
> original face vents plus only one extra face vent in the middle of the dash
> next to the radio. It is possible Yuriks has more air flow than mine. Also I
> have not made any attempt to seal the cabin (carbon monoxide vent and fridge
> vent). I think alot of the cold air escapes or is diluted through these air
> leaks. I think the curtain is a no brainer if you dont have rear passengers
> why cool the rest of the cabin? I am not trying to put you off your project
> just saying after you get your standard presige system working you may need
> to do some extra work to make it comfortable in the cabin. Good luck. Greg E
> From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
> > To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
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> > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Prestige AC system Greg,I presently
> can't agree with your contentions, except for the idea of a curtain behind
> the front seats. Graham Adams has installed one, apparently works
> > well. I'm happy to give the refurbishment a try, encouraged by a detailed
> post in 2008 from Yurik in Perth, as follows ...... Ken,My syncro has the
> Prestige Auto Air system and I also found it to be ineffective.
> > At one point when a re-gas was needed, I had the XT valve replaced and
> this improved the cooling significantly. Later when I did the Subaru engine
> conversion the new engine (2003) came with a compressor which was retro
> fitted to the existing system and this combination produced very crisp cold
> air, a huge improvement. I have come to the conclusion that the old
> compressors are inefficient and the modern new ones are the answer to an
> aging ac system that we have. One of my friends replaced his compressor in a
> 2L air cooled VW bus with a smaller modern one and it transformed his ac.
> With the T3, the engine compressor bracket would have to be modified and new
> hose connectors installed to suit the compressor used. All other components
> > remain.If you can get a new modern compressor that bolts straight on the
> existing bracket then that would be the major part of the ac upgrade. The
> remaining things are to get new fittings on the hoses to connect to the
> compressor, new TX valve and receiver-drier. I would use Hose Masters/Enzed
> or similar to crimp on new o-ring connectors. Any decrease of length as the
> result of cutting off the old fittings can be made up by using longer Al
> tails on the new fittings, all available off the shelf. The rest of the
> components in the system are re-used i.e.,
> > condenser, evaporator, thermostat, pressure switch and hoses.I would then
> present the completed system to an ac specialist and ask them to do a
> re-gas. Make sure that the system is flushed to remove any R12, oil and
> contaminants. Have a pressure test using Nitrogen gas and as well, a vacuum
> leak down test. Make sure they use extra oil because of the longer hoses in
> the syncro. They will probably inject a UV sensitive dye with the R134A for
> leak checking post re-gas. It would be a good idea to return to them after
> approx. 600km with good use of the ac for a further leak test.My ac has
> remained very cold now some 3yrs later. However one would expect a slow
> reduction of efficiency after 5yrs or so due to the slow molecular diffusion
> of the gas through the long rubber hoses and seal leaks. For the moment I am
> keeping cool. Regards Yurik 21/11/2008 So thanks very much again Yurik.This
> leaves me then with my original questions the subject of this post, if
> anyone has something specific to add along those lines, I'd
> > much appreciate it asap. TIA. Cheers.
> > KenTo: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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> > From: gregespo73@
> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:47:13 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Prestige AC system
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> > Ken unless you are putting an air curtain behind the driver or an
> additional evaporator in the rear, save your money. The evaporator size and
> fan capacity are just insufficient for a five metre long box. If the in dash
> thing would have worked VW would have done it. Instead they put a massive
> duct from rear to front. I guess your lucky as from what I understand you
> probably won't have rear passengers which to me says go the
> > plastic curtain. Greg E From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
> > To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:syncro_t3_australia%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2011 1:06 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Prestige AC system All, I am about to
> embark on the refurbishment of the erm ... "much loved" Prestige AC system
> in my syncro. Touch wood. Wish me luck. Please see the attached files re the
> new Zexel compressor that will be swapped in for the 20yo Sanden 709 as well
> as the pdf fluid volume spec files for Vanagon AC systems. I suspect these
> Vanagon fluid volumes are not relevant to our Prestige AC system, merely
> notable. Agreed?
> > One thing I am unsure of is, aside from the refrigerant oil already in the
> new compressor, how much extra total volume of same refrigerant oil is added
> to the system for other components during refurbishment? Putting the
> question another way, ignoring the refrigerant oil volume included in any
> new compressor, how much extra total volume of same refrigerant oil was
> added to the system for other components during assembly as specified for
> the original Oz Prestige AC system in our vans? TIA. Cheers. Ken
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